News & Events in ECUSA & Abroad

e-mail | 1/07/2007 | Sarah Hey

[sionnsar]

Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.

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More Anglican articles here.

Humor: The Anglican Blue (by Huber)

Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15

[narses]

In the meantime, Bishop Katherine Jefferts-Schori has been busy with the duties of Presiding Bishop.

1) She was interviewed by the New York Times [requires registration]: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/magazine/19WWLN_Q4.html

How many members of the Episcopal Church are there in this country?

About 2.2 million. It used to be larger percentagewise, but Episcopalians tend to be better-educated and tend to reproduce at lower rates than some other denominations. Roman Catholics and Mormons both have theological reasons for producing lots of children.

Episcopalians aren’t interested in replenishing their ranks by having children?

No. It’s probably the opposite. We encourage people to pay attention to the stewardship of the earth and not use more than their portion."

What a set of comments!+

Freep-mail me to get on or off: Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy threads on Pro-Life or Catholic threads.

[Cicero]

Yes, a sad business. I thought the last presiding bishop was bad, but this one is even worse.

She doesn't seem to mention the name of Jesus very often when she talks about her mission.

[narses]

FYI, since you had asked why I ping my list to threads I find interesting, I invite you to this thread that I also find interesting. Perhaps you can, thereby, understand me a little bit better.

[Aquinasfan]

No. It’s probably the opposite. We encourage people to pay attention to the stewardship of the earth and not use more than their portion."

Genesis 9:7

"As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."

Or...whatever.

[narses]

What does it mean "to pay attention to the stewardship of the earth and not use more than their portion."?

[xzins]

There really was no reason to ping a "pro-life" list to an "anti-mormon" thread.

The mormons are pro-life.

I think they have lousy theology, but that's a different subject than the right to life. The enemy of my enemy is my friend in that case.

[narses]

There has been a long and often close relationship between
the Anglican and Catholic Churches. In certain situations
there remains a mutual recognition of the validity of key
doctrines, liturgies, and practices. And the Catholic
Church continues to hold the faith and moral teachings as
taught by the Apostles.

I understand that there is also an Anglican Use liturgy
within the Catholic Church, wherein the Book of Common Prayer
is used for the Mass (with minor updates). So there is no need
to lose the liturgy Anglicans may be familiar with.

Resources for those interested in the Catholic faith:

Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com
A superb site for clearing away the myths propagated by too many.
Offers free on-line library that examines all the major issues,
free on-line archive of over 1,500 hours of radio/audio material,
plus magazines, books, pamphlets, tracts, videos, and more.

Coming Home Network
www.chnetwork.org
Provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant
pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or
have already been received into the Catholic Church.

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism
www.biblicalcatholic.com
Dave Armstrong's monster site. Eclectic, fun, exhaustingly
detailed, personal, moving, and more.

And may God bless your journey where ever it takes you.

posted on 08/05/2003 5:19 PM PDT by polemikos

[narses]

What "anti-mormon" thread? I posted from the BYU historical archives - verbatim. How is that "anti-mormon"?

[xzins]

What did you find interesting about it?

[sionnsar]

I understand that there is also an Anglican Use liturgy within the Catholic Church, wherein the Book of Common Prayer is used for the Mass (with minor updates). So there is no need to lose the liturgy Anglicans may be familiar with.

You are correct, but whoever did the "updates" to the version I saw online some time back had quite the tin ear. It was every bit as clunky as ECUSA's '79.

[narses]

The idea of a changing Godhead.

One of the distinguishing traits of the 20th Century was the common idea that theology had to change to meet a changed culture. Clearly our LDS friends have found that to be the case, but then look at fundamental issues like divorce, contraception, and sexuality and you will find many (most?) denominations that claim the mantle of "Christian" have also gone down that path of a mutable Godhead.

Even inside the Catholic Church, the Modernists have tried to do that, sadly with too many victories in the various Chanceries around the world, but (Deo Gratias!) not with the actual Dogmas taught by the Universal Magisterium.

Clearly you and P-Marlowe appear to find fault with my post(s) and pinging. Can you articulate what error I make or what you find objectionable?

[narses]

Modernism is a problem with many of the translations, it is being addressed, but slowly.

[sionnsar]

I can appreciate that the nuances of Cranmerian English might not be immediately obvious.

[xzins]

There is no crime in posting anything you want. There's just a contradiction in pinging a pro-life list to a "darn, don't those Mormons have an odd concept of the Godhead" thread.

[xzins]

There is no crime in posting anything you want. There's just a contradiction in pinging a pro-life list to a "darn, don't those Mormons have an odd concept of the Godhead" thread.

[narses]

From a strict theological POV, all of our allies who reject any of the Dogmas of the Catholic faith have (to one degree or another) an "odd" concept of the Godhead, and since we are all often working together, I find it edifying to understand those concepts. I ping those on my list since I believe that such edification helps us all work better together and may, over time, bring many home to Our Lord in the fullness of the Faith He gave us. Does that help explain the perceived "contradiction "?

[narses]

For some, the nuances of Latin are just as obscure - perhaps more. Vis the "pro multis" controversy.

[xzins]

Since I'm not a Roman Catholic, it doesn't help a bit knowing you think I have an odd concept of the Godhead.

I'm a trinitarian. What is odd about that?