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To: TomSmedley
So since you reject the Fifth Ecumenical Council's teaching on Mary's perpetual virginity, why then do you accept the Ecumenical Creeds?

That IS the corner you seem to have backed yourself into, my dear sister, and highly esteemed fellow saint.

Your assumption that couples must engage in sexual relations with one another is the false assumption. Paul even points this out in 1 Cor 7:5, where his qualification concerning married couples abstaining "for a time" is still "by way of concession, not of command". The 'duty' of engaging in sexual relations with one's spouse depends upon the state of the spouse. If a husband and a wife both desire to consecrate themselves to the Lord and give up sexual relations, then they have no overriding duty to engage in sexual relations with each other. And thus Mary and Joseph did not sin by never having sexual relations.

-A8

213 posted on 12/05/2006 2:01:38 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
Your assumption that couples must engage in sexual relations with one another is the false assumption. Paul even points this out in 1 Cor 7:5, where his qualification concerning married couples abstaining "for a time" is still "by way of concession, not of command". The 'duty' of engaging in sexual relations with one's spouse depends upon the state of the spouse. If a husband and a wife both desire to consecrate themselves to the Lord and give up sexual relations, then they have no overriding duty to engage in sexual relations with each other. And thus Mary and Joseph did not sin by never having sexual relations.

Nailed it!
216 posted on 12/05/2006 2:16:53 PM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: adiaireton8
married couples abstaining "for a time" ...

And then, come together again, lest Satan tempt you ... for we are not ignorant of his devices. Like fasting, this kind of abstinence is viewed as a temporary condition. To make it permanent is to sin against the spouse, and the God Who ordained and blessed the marital union as normative.

217 posted on 12/05/2006 2:18:55 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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