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Like a Virgin, The Case Against Having Sex
The Villiage Voice ^ | October 20th, 2006 5:50 PM | Rachel Kramer Bussel

Posted on 11/07/2006 6:33:50 AM PST by klossg

Recently, two friends of mine opened up to me about their virginity. "Roger," a writer, confessed that at 31 he's still waiting for the perfect girl to give it up to, while Lianne Stokes, a comedian, divulged that she only just popped her cherry at the ripe age of 30. Roger insisted on using a pseudonym, worried about the potential social damage revealing his virginal status might bring. "You'll never be considered normal; it's a label you don't want," he says.

For these "hidden" virgins, who are fearful of being treated like freaks, watching sex from afar can be lonely and alienating. "It can be really hard; it feels like you're the only one," admits Roger. "It's all over TV; characters get made fun of because they haven't had sex for two months." he adds.

I'm certainly not immune from looking at virginity as a flaw; it's like a human daiquiri that's missing an essential ingredient. I struggled to phrase my questions to these pure ones as something other than "Why? Why? Why?" Yet that's ultimately what I wanted to know when I heard their surprising confessions .

Roger's decision to hold on to his virginity dates back to his college days. The casual sex prevalent on his campus wasn't right for him. "I get emotionally attached to people very quickly, so I don't know that I could date a lot of people in succession and be comfortable," he says. Roger assumed he'd meet the right girl at some point, but when she never materialized, his chastity belt remained fastened. He recently started dating a woman he really likes and got up the courage to tell her about his virginity. He was pleasantly surprised to discover that his 24-year-old girl is also a virgin. This was a huge relief for both of them, and Roger is finally ready to go all the way. But she still has doubts. He's fine with waiting, even if they never have sex. "I like her so much as a person that it's OK. We can just spend time together," he explains. "If she weren't a virgin, there'd be a lot of pressure on me to make it happen." While male and female virgins are treated differently, it's clear which sex has the better hand. "Women are still assumed to have valid reasons for holding out," says Roger, "but for a guy my age, it would be seen as a failure."

Virginity has been a hot topic in the news lately: In England, 18-year-old Joe Burns hanged himself because he was still a virgin, while Lori Rose Cannizzaro, from Buffalo, dedicated her virginity to Jesus in a rare Catholic ceremony. Meanwhile, Jane magazine hired 29-year-old Sarah DiMuro to blog (janemag.com/memos/blogs/sarah) her search to find someone to deflower her (and is currently luring readers with "Read Up to See If Sarah's Still a Virgin!"). She's been posting about her dates and letting readers (including her dad) vote on which man she should go out with. Also weighing in on the virginity beat are a wave of social commentators who argue in favor of a more modest, less sex-obsessed lifestyle.

Three major advocates are trying to instill in both religious and secular audiences the need to reassess sexual standards. Dawn Eden warns readers about the dangers of premarital sex, offering lessons she learned through unsatisfying liaisons before converting to Christianity, in her forthcoming memoir–call to arms The Thrill of the Chaste: Finding Fulfillment While Keeping Your Clothes On. In 2005, Jason Illian (jasonillian.com) went on The Bachelorette to promote his message of purity, urging readers to save sex for marriage, which he elaborates on in Undressed: The Naked Truth About Love, Sex, and Dating. "There's nothing difficult about taking some girl's clothes off," explains Illian. "The hard part is getting into her heart and finding out her goals and dreams and what she wants." The 31-year-old motivational speaker is a virgin by choice, a distinction he feels is important in terms of acceptance from his peers.

A third voice for virginity is Wendy Shalit, whose book A Return to Modesty urged wo-men to form a "cartel of virtue ." Her next book, Girls Gone Mild, explores why women are staying away from the "wild" ethos. Shalit has been busily building an empire at modestyzone.net, where 21 bloggers post about issues such as Janet Jackson's breast, nude art, and moral quandaries over clothing, sexual practices, and values. Shalit's heard from women whose parents have urged them to get sex over with, especially if they're past 18, A female commenter blogging at feministing.com lamented, "During my teenage years, I was constantly made to feel inadequate for not being sexually active."

Shalit claims, "Being hostile to virginity is the ultimate misogyny. It means sneering at the innocence of children, and laughing at women who want sex to mean something more than just a hookup." But men suffer from these negative stereotypes as well. Gender roles are so ingrained that men like Roger don't feel manly if they haven't had sex, whereas women want to fit in but don't feel like a failure as women simply because they're virgins. "We need to get back to a single high standard for women and men," argues Shalit. "Right now we seem to be going for a single low standard—let's all imitate the most adolescent male, and make him our ideal."

For those who don't have a lofty reason for holding on to their virginity, their peers' opinions loom large. Stokes says she never thought about the subject much until her friends made it an issue. "I was always very open about it, but ended up regretting that. They all made fun of me. Half the time I found myself looking at them thinking, 'You're having sex and you're no happier than I am.' " Nobody should be made to feel ashamed of bedroom adventuresor lack of them. Sexual freedom shouldn't come with the price tag of promiscuity, but I also think there's nothing wrong with promiscuity per se. Instead of dic- tating a single standard, we need to embrace each individual's right to make sexual decisions based on his or her own values.

When to lose your virginity, if ever, is a very personal and nuanced decision. We need to respect that some will be ready at 18, some at 28, some even later. Rather than mocking virgins or assuming everyone you know has popped their cherry, realize that your virginal best friend or co-worker may be waiting not just for sex, but acceptance.


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The biggest shocker: This article is from the Village Voice! Amazing!

They actually allowed a writer to end a piece with "Rather than mocking virgins or assuming everyone you know has popped their cherry, realize that your virginal best friend or co-worker may be waiting not just for sex, but acceptance."

And who is this Jason Illian?

God is good!!!!

1 posted on 11/07/2006 6:33:53 AM PST by klossg
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2 posted on 11/07/2006 6:34:39 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

"Being hostile to virginity is the ultimate misogyny. It means sneering at the innocence of children, and laughing at women who want sex to mean something more than just a hookup...Right now we seem to be going for a single low standard—let's all imitate the most adolescent male, and make him our ideal."

Excellent point.


3 posted on 11/07/2006 6:45:44 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: klossg
Rather than mocking virgins or assuming everyone you know has popped their cherry ...

Perhaps easing up on vulgarity would also be something to strive for.

4 posted on 11/07/2006 6:46:57 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: klossg
Gender roles are so ingrained that men like Roger don't feel manly if they haven't had sex

PFFFT! Lotharos are the LEAST manly, LEAST masculine of them all. They are constantly obsessing about hair/clothes/appearance. They go to the gym and stare at themselves. They become *slaves* to the sexual urge and that makes them weak and puny, to the point when they *cut and run* like scared little girls at the very sight of any kind of lasting, meaninngful relationship with a woman.

Is Hugh Hefner a man? He is SOO damn effeminate. What the hell kind of man walks around in a bathrobe???

The MANLIEST men are those who are either a) married with children and with a hard-working job, or those men who b) are entirely chaste and seem strangely aloof from women (e.g. Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns, Natty Bumppo in Last of the Mohicans).

And in either case, note and note well that they are manly precisely BECAUSE the sexual urge DOES NOT control them!

5 posted on 11/07/2006 6:56:01 AM PST by Claud
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"What the hell kind of man walks around in a bathrobe???"

I don't own a bathrobe. The trip from the bathroom is too short to deserve a change in clothes.

Maybe double H isn't really a man at all. Maybe he is Margaret Sanger in drag.
6 posted on 11/07/2006 7:11:40 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

LOL...I was perhaps intemperate...I own and use a bathrobe, I just don't make it the centerpiece of my wardrobe/lifestyle! :)

I think you may have something on the Sanger/Hefner connection. Hmmmm....


7 posted on 11/07/2006 7:18:11 AM PST by Claud
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Link to Wendy Shalit's website:

http://www.modestyzone.net/


8 posted on 11/07/2006 7:19:25 AM PST by Claud
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"I think you may have something on the Sanger/Hefner connection. Hmmmm...."

Now that it comes up, I wonder if Margaret Sanger was actually a man. By the way the modestyzone site looks great. I sent it to my daughter. Thanks.
9 posted on 11/07/2006 7:44:45 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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You know, one of the unwelcome eye-openers I've had in the last few years, is seeing the degree of sexual vulgarity (alternating between drool and she-a-ho-cynicism) right here in this supposedly conservative FreeRepublic.

A one time I thought politically conservative neighborhoods would be free of posters who are maturity-arrested and morally retarded; but noo-o-o

I'm not talking about a little light-hearted woo-woo ribaldry; I'm talking about the sheer contempt for that which is dear and wholesome and pure and deep-down good.

I said to my husband once, "It's so hard to raise kids to be Christian---" and he added with a sad shake of his head, "It's getting hard to raise kids to be human."

10 posted on 11/07/2006 10:48:33 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God treasures our lives and our loves.)
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11 posted on 11/07/2006 10:53:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Oh by the way, here's the link to Dawn Eden's YouTUBE video, CHASTITY ROME-CHICK BLUES

Check it out: it's short, funny, and wonderful!

12 posted on 11/07/2006 10:56:01 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God treasures our lives and our loves.)
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Rather than mocking virgins or assuming everyone you know has popped their cherry ...

I'm with you on this. I found the wording of this to be rather tasteless.

13 posted on 11/07/2006 11:07:40 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I said to my husband once, "It's so hard to raise kids to be Christian---" and he added with a sad shake of his head, "It's getting hard to raise kids to be human."

My wife teaches math at a local high school. Since she is low on the totem pole, she gets the lower grade of students. Many have already had a kid or two by the time she sees them.

As part of her curriculum, she has the kids write down on note cards little answers to questions that asks during class. Last week, the question is if you could go back into time, what would you do?

Many answered "Keep my parents from breaking up", many more said "Not make the same mistakes that I did".

It broke her heart. We have another generation of kids growing with broken homes and spirits, having babies so they can be loved by someone.

The fact that it is considered scandalous to be in your 30's and a virgin is evidence of that. Sadly, I also fell to this temptation, and wish I hadn't. God willing, the culture seems to be changing. Hopefully it is not to late for our country.

14 posted on 11/07/2006 11:19:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The level here has gone downhill in the last coupla' years, which is why I rarely post. It's always been there to an extent, but now it's nearly everywhere. Too bad no one will point the usual suspects to your post.


15 posted on 11/07/2006 12:13:08 PM PST by Patriotic1
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To: Claud
Is Hugh Hefner a man? He is SOO damn effeminate. What the hell kind of man walks around in a bathrobe???

***********

Ick. He's really, really creepy.

16 posted on 11/07/2006 12:17:52 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I understand being bummed at the use of vulgarity and depravity ...

But, remember the original article was in The Village Voice. The Village Voice is a deep NY nightlife, very hip weekly paper. What is amazing is that The Village Voice published this article. They are allowing someone to talk openly about the huge pressure to have casual sex and the okayness of being a virgin.

That is amazing! This is deepest, darkest territory and there is a little light. This is the Village Voice and yet somewhere in there these people understand why people might choose virginity. There is hope in this. There is Christ's love sitting in the midst of the hippest and youngest of partyers in NY.
17 posted on 11/07/2006 12:43:17 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

You make an excellent point, and it is well taken.


18 posted on 11/07/2006 12:48:58 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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"But, remember the original article was in The Village Voice"

I'm with you there. And I'm pleasantly surprised that the Usual FReeper Suspects haven't shown up (yet) with expert horndog advice on speedy de-virgination...

19 posted on 11/07/2006 12:49:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Gratia tibi, Domine)
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"horndog"

Classic and on target.
20 posted on 11/07/2006 12:52:55 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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