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A Matrimonial Quest
OpinionJournal.com ^ | October 20, 2006 | Mark and Minyoung Wyman

Posted on 10/20/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Aristotle721

...[T]he greater New York metropolitan area is currently permitted only a handful of weekly celebrations of the Tridentine Mass. Unfortunately, finding a parish for our own nuptial Mass was a painful process. A priest at one such parish in Manhattan told us that the rector and his parish council were not interested in having more old Masses celebrated there. A parochial vicar in Long Island nearly chortled at the suggestion that any additional Tridentine Masses would be allowed in the diocese that he serves. The secretary of Edward Cardinal Egan, the Archbishop of New York, responded to our impassioned plea by offering us the ugliest church in the borough.

Finally, however, we were welcomed into a church in Manhattan by a pastor who, happily, cares little for the antitraditional biases of his ecclesiastical colleagues. And so on July 22 we were wed at the Church of Our Saviour, with all the rich trappings of a traditional Catholic Nuptial Mass--from the ethereal strains of Latin chant down to the lace trimmed hems of the priests' vestments....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; mass; newyork; nuptial; trads; tridentine
This poster, happily and without charge, chanted the propers at the Solemn High Mass of the authors of this article, including the complex versicles of the Offertory as found in the Offertoriale Triplex.
1 posted on 10/20/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Aristotle721
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To: BobCNY; Dajjal; dubyaismypresident; Piers-the-Ploughman; AAABEST; gbcdoj; cebadams; Jim Noble; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 10/20/2006 8:15:51 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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Catholic ping!


3 posted on 10/20/2006 8:17:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Aristotle721

How wonderful. Thanks for posting this. How do you view all the rumors swirling about freeing the Old Mass?


4 posted on 10/20/2006 8:37:06 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Aristotle721

This poster, happily and without charge, chanted the propers at the Solemn High Mass of the authors of this article, including the complex versicles of the Offertory as found in the Offertoriale Triplex.

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How wonderful! Bless you. I'll bet it was heavenly.


5 posted on 10/20/2006 9:25:33 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Carolina
How do you view all the rumors swirling about freeing the Old Mass?

I really don't view them, as such rumors don't impact my life or my liturgical interests. :-) That said, I would appreciate a clarification on the state of the 1962 Missal, as it would remove much confusion.

What is important to me is the steady resurgence in the practice and appreciation of the Church's sacred music, especially Gregorian Chant and sacred polyphony, as well as the reduction in the politics of worship.

A freeing of the Old Mass would have little impact on either the aesthetics or the politics of worship. However, things like DVDs of High Masses and CDs of sacred music already have had positive impact on the former and will continue to do so, and a keener focus on the Eucharistic Christ as the object of worship will have a positive impact on the latter. Regardless of rite, language, or missal.

6 posted on 10/20/2006 9:26:15 AM PDT by Aristotle721 (Truth. Beauty. Goodness. Dance.)
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To: Bigg Red
How wonderful! Bless you. I'll bet it was heavenly.

All Masses are heavenly, objectively speaking - but the trappings of this one made that fact particularly obvious. :-)

7 posted on 10/20/2006 9:32:14 AM PDT by Aristotle721 (Truth. Beauty. Goodness. Dance.)
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To: Aristotle721; sitetest; BlackElk
ugliest church in the borough.

*Presusmably he thought his Bride beautiful. He thinks the Old Liturgy beautiful.

Even Meatloaf understands two out of three ain't bad

8 posted on 10/20/2006 10:57:13 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Aristotle721
I really don't view them, as such rumors don't impact my life or my liturgical interests. :-)

Privatised piety is a protestant thing. We can't be members of the Mystical Body and claim that the spiritual health of other members has no impact or interest for us.

9 posted on 10/20/2006 12:20:04 PM PDT by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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To: Romulus
Kindly re-read my post. Liturgical rumors have no impact on me or my liturgical life. How do rumors impact the spiritual health of other members? Not nearly as much as action.

To wit: In July I was dismissed from the role of chant conductor of a weekly diocesan-approved 1962-missal Mass and I'm still clueless as to why. There were absolutely no rumors about my impending dismissal - only action. Moral: Actions have impact.

(I'm sure I was at fault, but that fault has yet to be pointed out to me - not that I lose sleep trying to to find out what that fault was. Interestingly enough, there has not been a replacement.)

While I still attend this Mass as a pew-sitter, I 'protestantize' my piety by silently sight-reading the Gregorian propers, while this same liturgy goes on as Low Mass. Shame.

We await action from the Holy Father, and while we do that we live our lives. So, while I would appreciate papal clarification regarding the 1962 Missal, etc., knowing the impact such a clarification would have on the public worship of the Mystical Body, you and I have not that, but rumor.

I hope this clarifies things. I'm sorry to have been unclear.

10 posted on 10/20/2006 2:43:37 PM PDT by Aristotle721 (Truth. Beauty. Goodness. Dance.)
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To: Aristotle721
Whooo hooo!

Our choirmaster is teaching a course on the History of Western Church Music. As an ex-Episcopalian, I welcomed the opportunity to get heavily into Gregorian chant.

. . . . reading neumes is not as difficult as some claim . . . because this old retread from four- and six- part Anglican chant had no trouble with it . . . not much anyway . . . < g >

. . . and my Latin pronunciation is so much better now!

11 posted on 10/20/2006 4:42:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Aristotle721
That's a shame.

. . . is there somebody you can ask "why?" It may well be a change of policy and have nothing to do with you personally.

12 posted on 10/20/2006 4:43:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Aristotle721; Romulus; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; eastsider
we were welcomed into a church in Manhattan by a pastor who, happily, cares little for the antitraditional biases of his ecclesiastical colleagues

Father Rutler!

13 posted on 10/20/2006 4:53:02 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The people I know have no better idea than I as to why. I had barely grown roots there before I was cut off. Granted, it wasn't hard to cut me off, as it wasn't a parish setting and I only maintained contact with my choirs on Sundays - hardly an ideal situation for either choral or spiritual development.

Officially, it was a change of policy. Still, I fail to see the positive impact of returning to a 40-minute Sunday Low Mass. I hope they find a replacement soon, because reverting to Low Mass as the primary Sunday liturgy can hardly be considered in compliance with everything that Rome and Tradition have proposed.


14 posted on 10/21/2006 10:35:15 AM PDT by Aristotle721 (Truth. Beauty. Goodness. Dance.)
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15 posted on 10/23/2006 7:29:56 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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