Lack of obedience to Cardinal Mahony?
Hahahahahahahaha. We should be grateful that some priests aren't obedient to Cardinal Mahony. After all he isn't obedient to rules associated with proper receptacles for the Blood of Christ now is he?
Posted on 09/29/2006 5:16:11 PM PDT by Rosary
Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord and let perpetual light shine upon him.
If the priest was not schismastic--although there's another viewpoint in this thread stating exactly that--my bad, but then for shame with the irresponsible, disrespectful schismatic brats who used his name to aggravate, not fix the problems of said diocese.
But if he really died a schismatic, no matter how outwardly pious his life may have been, a schismatic he was, and for that he is already responding to a Higher Authority.
I stand on my remarks until the confusion is solved one way or the other.
-Theo
Prayers for this priest.
well, what would you call a bishop who forbids saying the mass in latin, the same mass said by padre pio, cardinal newmann etc. which nourished the souls of st. theresa of avila, maxamillian kolbe, and any thousands more holy saints you might care to name, yet hits a 240 lb man crossing the road and doesn't stop to see who, or what, he struck with his car? wouldn't "corrupt" be a word that might come to mind?
when one of the most prominent clergymen in phoenix, a man o'brien appointed to vicar general FIVE YEARS AFTER the diocese settled a sexual harrasment suit filed against him, when this "charismatic" monsignior tells a young boy that taking his shorts off in the hot tub is a way of experiencing greater love, can you think of a better word than "corrupt?"
woe unto those who call good evil and evil good.
for my part, i will be praying for fr. leblanc and i hope the rest here will join me, for, if the Lord truly judges us by what we deserve, who can stand?
after years of watching priests "disguising" themselves in streetclothes, using the "f" word and the "s" word to show how "down" they are with the kids, driving large suburbans, maintaining office hours a plastic surgeon would envy, and permitting just about every foul impurity imaginable at the altar, i say God bless Father Francis LeBlanc, a man who restored my faith in the ability of a priest to live a truly "priestly" life. would that 10,000 leblanc's would rise up in america today.
Lord knows we need it.
Lack of obedience to Cardinal Mahony?
Hahahahahahahaha. We should be grateful that some priests aren't obedient to Cardinal Mahony. After all he isn't obedient to rules associated with proper receptacles for the Blood of Christ now is he?
You have no right or standing to say how he died or whether he was in a state of grace when he passed on to meet his Maker. Shame on you.
No matter what norm of liturgical law Mahoney violates that is not an excuse for one of his priests to be disobedient in regard to liturgical rules as well. Ruscitto has no permission to say the old Mass. Mahoney has no permission to do what he does. Neither does Ruscitto.
Please show us where the Latin Mass has ever been abolished or forbidden by Rome. On the contrary it was preserved as the Roman rite into perpetuity by Pope Pius V and by numerous subsequent Popes.
You wrote: "Please show us where the Latin Mass has ever been abolished or forbidden by Rome."
I don't have to. You are confusing one issue with another. I don't make that mistake.
"On the contrary it was preserved as the Roman rite into perpetuity by Pope Pius V and by numerous subsequent Popes."
No, actually it wasn't. Your mistake is a common one among rad trads. I also don't make that mistake either.
Thank you for your excellent post! Regards,
Oh ... ok.
I had lunch with Msgr. Ruscitto today. Unlike some pretenders I actually know Father. I asked him to tell me his story again in case I had misrepresented his situation. I have not. He further clarified a few points debated on this thread.
1. No letter of suspension exists because one was never written. The bishop forbid him from saying Mass at all for one year's time. Msgr. obeyed. Msgr. R offered to take an early retirement and the bishop gladly accepted it. While in retirement, Mahony worked behind the scenes to get his pension revoked. The ONLY letter Msgr. Ruscitto EVER received was one from the bishop stating his pension had been revoked. His status in the diocesan directory went from retired to "on leave of absence." After that his name quietly disappeared as if he never existed. He has never, EVER been suspended or been listed as suspended. The modus operandi of the diocese is to ignore him. Msgr. stated that is because in order to be suspended you must commit a crime. He has not, so they have no grounds to suspend him. There may be some confusion on this point due to one incident. The National Catholic Reporter called the chancery at one point to inquire on Msgr.'s status. A new, young priest answered the phone. He did not know Msgr.'s status but assumed he was suspended and stated as much. That is how and where a false rumor got started.
2. The letter exchange with Cardinal Mayer was a theological one regarding Quo Primum and the right of ALL priests to continue saying the Old Mass. It did not address Msgr.'s personal situation with the diocese at all. He has never appealed beyond the diocesan level although he was encouraged to do so.
There is the truth straight from the lips of the priest in question.
Now that the confusion is solved with a first person account (see above post), would you like to stand down from your "remarks"?
Why is it so important that I recant? I am ultimately irrelevant to this debate.
I have no objections against traditionalists in the Church; I do object to traditionalists who are schismatic, who insist that they are the "real" Church while everyone else is part of a monstrously disfigured thing who dare to judge the Pope, the Bishops and the Church, I object to that.
If the initial information regarding this specific priest was "wrong," I "stand down." I respect all the sincere viewpoints but since I am in no position to ascertain the truth or falsity of each, in whole or in part, I am obliged to use the conditional "if."
Starting the thread with a broadside attack against a seating bishop and a diocese didn't help things. The Catholic Church is as fully and really present in a local diocesan Church as Christ is in the Eucharist. To tear it down, to hate her, instead of rising up to the occassion and through word, actions, and prayer and help build her up is a grave, mortal sin, and I take no lessons from those who believe and behave that way.
-Theo
I made no such judgment. "Schism" is a canonical judgment which is pretty clear cut. I made no particular judgment on this priest, yet I would be remiss if, in general terms, I don't reassert the position of the Church that schism is a grave sin and that those who embrace schism freely, voluntarily, and with full knowledge of its gravity, fall into mortal sin.
I can't tell if this priest did so nor is it my place to know and besides, is too late now.
You, on the other hand, still live. Perhaps you should ask yourself these questions and discuss them with your spiritual director to see where you stand.
-Theo
My first thought also. I've seen what he and his ilk have done to some of my friends in the Phoenix area. The extreme anger they had, that was probably even justified, was turned into a battle to defeat the Catholic church when they should have used it to fight for changes from within. It just shows what evil can accomlish in the name of good.
Thus dies a schismatic.
-Theo
you didn't really mean it, eh?
And what exactly did this good, faithful Catholic priest (may he RIP) do to your friends in the Phoenix area?
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