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Heretical Hymns? (Sacred songs that contradict church teachings)
Catholic Education ^ | August 29, 2006 | George Weigel

Posted on 08/29/2006 1:08:37 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Charles Henrickson
SHAME, CHURCHES, SHAME

On the money, Charles! The wife and I seldom attend our contemporary service. It's just not an enjoyable experience for this 'old fogy'. The more traditional, the better. Jimbo

21 posted on 08/29/2006 2:06:59 PM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" – Anonymous)
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To: NYer

Good article.


22 posted on 08/29/2006 2:07:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

One of the reasons that "Amazing Grace" will not be sung at anything Catholic that I have anything to do with.

Read the words -- they support that we are saved by grace ALONE. Not ture with Catholic teaching.


23 posted on 08/29/2006 2:09:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: lightman

Care to weigh in?


24 posted on 08/29/2006 2:09:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Carolina; The Invisible Hand

Possibly the subject for another thread: angels. As bad doctrinally as many religious songs are, so are the typical representation of angels. For example, if this angel is Gabriel, then why does he appear so effeminate? Nowhere in Scripture are angels depicted as having wings and nowhere are angels described as other than having the appearance of a man. Something to chew on.


25 posted on 08/29/2006 2:09:54 PM PDT by gracebeliever (yet not I, but Christ liveth in me)
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To: redhead

Good article.


26 posted on 08/29/2006 2:11:10 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Teófilo; NYer
I love "I am the Bread of Life." . . . The rest of the article is right on the mark.

I kind of agree with you. I don't like a lot of songs from that genre, but I do like "I Am the Bread of Life." It is Jesus' Bread of Life discourse (John 6) in hymnic form. It proclaims the promise of the resurrection, in the words of Christ. And the music fits the text, in my opinion.

The "problem," of course, is that it's all in the first person. This is a device which should be used sparingly, and with understanding. There are some good traditional hymns that use the first-person device, but I'm not sure that they do it for the whole hymn, all stanzas.

One confusion possible with "I Am the Bread of Life" is on the refrain, "And I will raise him up. . . ." In John 6 it is Christ's promise to raise the believer on the last day. However, I'm not sure if some people singing the hymn mistakenly think it means that WE are "raising up" CHRIST with our praises.

27 posted on 08/29/2006 2:23:50 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor)
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To: Salvation
One of the reasons that "Amazing Grace" will not be sung at anything Catholic that I have anything to do with. Read the words -- they support that we are saved by grace ALONE. Not ture with Catholic teaching.

It's your loss.

28 posted on 08/29/2006 2:34:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: Salvation
That is true; and I was amused to be at a Roman Catholic mass and hear the parishioners singing the Reformation Battle Hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is our God".
I find it rather disturbing that a man who is generally thought of as a prominent scholar has only just realized that "words mean things", as they say.
29 posted on 08/29/2006 2:42:20 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Charles Henrickson

Have you got one for "Sun, Moon and All Stars" or whatever that really anthrocentric LW hymn is?


30 posted on 08/29/2006 2:42:23 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Scatology is Serendipitous)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I like it too.


31 posted on 08/29/2006 2:42:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I actually like that hymn!


32 posted on 08/29/2006 2:44:11 PM PDT by bonfire
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**Not ture with Catholic teaching.**

Oops -- Not true with Catholic teaching.


33 posted on 08/29/2006 2:45:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I am Protestant and even I can't stand "Amazing Grace". Overdone, difficult for congregations to sing, and it drones on and on.


34 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:05 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Bainbridge

Nevertheless, I have my flame-retardant suit on. LOL! Already got flamed once.


35 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bcsco

A bit off topic, but the piscopo church I ran away from just sent out a message that they're "reevaluating" their "contemporary" service due to lack of attendance.

Doesn't matter to me any more, I'm Catholic. It's TOO LATE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


36 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:34 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice Islam®)
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To: bonfire

Have you looked at it Christologically?


37 posted on 08/29/2006 2:46:35 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Scatology is Serendipitous)
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To: Alex Murphy; Salvation
It's your loss.

It's also not correct Catholic theology. There's nothing wrong with being saved by grace alone; it's the only way anyone is saved.

38 posted on 08/29/2006 2:47:56 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

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39 posted on 08/29/2006 2:48:11 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: bonfire

It does go on and on and on and on, doesn't it. Seems like it never ends. And I am sitting there as though I am deaf. Not singing at all.


40 posted on 08/29/2006 2:48:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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