Rockford, Illinois Bishop Says Dem’s “a clear and present danger” to US survival as a nation”

LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/16/06 | Hilary White

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ROCKFORD, August 16, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Abortion, buggery, contraception, divorce, euthanasia, radical feminism, genetic experimentation and mutilation, are the seven “sacraments” of “one” US political party says the Bishop of the Catholic diocese of Rockford Illinois. 

While stopping short of telling his flock how to vote, and without naming the Democrats by name, Bishop Thomas George Doran wrote in a column in the local diocesan newspaper that these “unholy sacraments of our secular culture are the seeds of the destruction of our nation.” He said that the continuance in office of those espousing them represent a “clear and present danger” to the survival of the US as a nation. 

Bishop Doran, leader of the Rockford diocese's 418,891 Catholics exhorts voters to “think for yourself” and ask, “what nation that kills its young, perverts marriage, prevents new life, and destroys the family, kills those deemed useless, makes the war of the sexes into a real war, and manipulates the genetic basis of human nature, can long endure?”

He writes that while looking “askance” at the German people for their historical role in the deaths of 50 million people during the Nazi period, we in North America have blinded ourselves to the deaths of 40 million of unborn citizens since 1973. “No doubt,” he says, “we shall soon outstrip the Nazis in doing human beings to death.” 

He describes a slippery slope that begins with toleration of the killing of “the tiniest innocents among us,” and leads to habituation to violence in other forms. “we have allowed these barbaric practices to corrupt our laws, our medical practice, and even our ordinary lives.” 

He lists toleration for sexual perversions, “widespread contraception, easy access to “no fault” divorce, the killing of the elderly, radical feminism, embryonic stem cell research” as things that “defile and debase our human nature and our human destiny.”

Read Bishop Doran’s column:

http://www.rockforddiocese.org/observer/observer.asp

To contact Bishop Doran:
555 Colman Center Drive
P.O. Box 7044
Rockford, IL 61125
Telephone: (815) 399-4300
FAX: (815) 399-5266

[BlackElk]

Who is this "we" to whom you refer, Lincolnman????

[BlackElk]

Actually, you do not see fit to display an iota of conservatism now or previously.

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Actually, you do not see fit to display an iota of conservatism now or previously.

In your opinion? Well I guess I'm just going to have to live with the disappointment.

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And I notice not a word about Jefferson Davis. Your ideal of modern Republican. If that's you view of what Conservative policies should be then I'm glad you don't consider me one.

[BlackElk]

You could always post your conservative credentials but then you don't have any, do you?

You aren't that hard to figure out. I will post my defense of Jeff Davis when I want to or when my Yankees (an old New York Dutch reference to hard-working New England Swamp Yankees and nothing whatever to do with the disreputable elements from the North in the late unpleasantness) have finished doing what needs to be done to the Dead Sox.

I bet I will answer on Jeff Davis long before you post a legitimate conservative credential which you have understandably (in the manner of explaining square circles) failed to do for several years now.

The word "troll" comes to mind. If your defense of your Lincolnmania is that your opinion is as good as anyone else's, you are wrong on that too. There is no moral equivalency between your fantasies/opinions and truth. Whether you live or die is your decision not mine.

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You could always post your conservative credentials but then you don't have any, do you?

Well I don't believe that Jefferson Davis is a beaux ideal of a Republican, which puts me at odds with you right from the start. So whatever I post will not meet your criteria of a conservative and as a result the entire exercise is pointless. The fact that I campaigned for Reagan in Illinois or am a former Republican committeeman in Kansas will carry no weight with you because I'm also not a high tax or big intrusive government guy like Jeff Davis was. So considering that there is absolutely nothing I can say without lying that would convince you I'm a conservative then as I said earlier I'm just going to have to live with the disappointment.

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I would have a harder time denying it if there was any evidence of the widespread starvation you talk of, and of the libraries and what not you say were destroyed wholesale, or of cities leveled and ares desolated.

You are kidding, right.

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You are kidding, right

Dead serious.

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Just a teaser; I got 3604 hits


GRAHAM'S, S.C.,February 7, 1865.
Maj. Gen. O. O. HOWARD, U.S. Army,
Commanding, &c. :
GENERAL: I have the honor to propose that if the troops of your army be required to discontinue burning the houses of our citizens I will discontinue burning cotton. As an earnest of the good faith in which my proposition is tendered I leave at this place about 300 bales cotton unburned, worth, in New York, over a quarter of a million, and in our currency one million and a half. I trust my having commenced will cause you to use your influence to insure the acceptance of the proposition by your whole army. I trust that you will not deem it improper for me to ask that you will require the troops under your command to discontinue the wanton destruction of property not necessary for their sustenance.
Respectfully, general, your obedient servant,
J. WHEELER,
Major-General, C. S. Army

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And the widespread starvation, cities leveled and all the rest that I was asking about?

[BlackElk]

Well, your concerns about Jeff Davis wh was launching a noble enterprise which had start up costs don't seem to extend to the man who massacred the Constitution and several hundred thousand Americans to enact what were UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and draft in the north. Unless you have some provision of the Confederate constitution that Jeff Davis allegedly violated, there is no vilolation by him. The entire civil war was predicated on the preposterous (and murderus) notion of Lincoln and his sycophants that a state could vote dozens of times to reject membership in the union but later still join the union but that a state that had once ratfied the constitution had exhausted for all time its optons and was therefater condemened to be in the union regardless of the dsires of the state or its people (See Amendment X for proof to the contrary).

Nancy Landon Kassebaum was an execrable US Senator from Kansas so that counts for no more than my having been a Republican party official in Connecticut afflicted by Lowell Weicker. Now if you did to Kassebaum the sorts of things I did to Weicker, that would be a different story. If you were a contemorary of Virgil Dechant on the Kansas GOP State Committee and an ally of his that would count for a lot more. If you campaigned for Reagan in Illinois, that's fine. Does that outweigh support for Lincoln, civil war, income tax, draft, ignoring the plain provisions of the constitution? Well probably not. Keep trying though.

I'll raise your efforts by having been a state chairman and regional representative of Young Americans for Freedom, state chairman and National Executive Committee member of the Young Republicans, state chairman and National Commitee member of College Repubicans, attorney for NRA members arrested in Connecticut, attorney for 1100 people arrested in pro-life activity in Connecticut and Reagan's state chairman in 1976, the year he challenged Ford. More available on request.

Jeff Davis was not perfect. Neither were Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, James Longstreet, J.E.B. Stuart or any number of Southern leaders but each was a damn sight better man than Lincoln and a lot closer to Republican principles as we know them today.

This exercise is NOT pointless. The point which you concede is that you would have to lie to prove yourself conservative which means that you are, ummmm, as liberal as your hero Lincoln.

[BlackElk]

AND NOW THE SPELLING CORRECTED VERSION OF #191:

Well, your concerns about Jeff Davis who was launching a noble enterprise which had start up costs don't seem to extend to the man who massacred the Constitution and several hundred thousand Americans to enact what were UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and draft in the north. Unless you have some provision of the Confederate constitution that Jeff Davis allegedly violated, there is no violation by him. The entire civil war was predicated on the preposterous (and murderus) notion of Lincoln and his sycophants that a state could vote dozens of times to reject membership in the union but later still join the union but that a state that had once ratified the constitution had exhausted for all time its options and was therefater condemned to be in the union regardless of the desires of the state or its people (See Amendment X for proof to the contrary).

Nancy Landon Kassebaum was an execrable US Senator from Kansas so that counts for no more than my having been a Republican party official in Connecticut afflicted by Lowell Weicker. Now if you did to Kassebaum the sorts of things I did to Weicker, that would be a different story. If you were a contemporary of Virgil Dechant on the Kansas GOP State Committee and an ally of his that would count for a lot more. If you campaigned for Reagan in Illinois, that's fine. Does that outweigh support for Lincoln, civil war, income tax, draft, ignoring the plain provisions of the constitution? Well probably not. Keep trying though.

I'll raise your efforts by having been a state chairman and regional representative of Young Americans for Freedom, state chairman and National Executive Committee member of the Young Republicans, state chairman and National Committee member of College Republicans, attorney for NRA members arrested in Connecticut, attorney for 1100 people arrested in pro-life activity in Connecticut and Reagan's state chairman in 1976, the year he challenged Ford. More available on request.

Jeff Davis was not perfect. Neither were Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, James Longstreet, J.E.B. Stuart or any number of Southern leaders but each was a damn sight better man than Lincoln and a lot closer to Republican principles as we know them today.

This exercise is NOT pointless. The point which you concede is that you would have to lie to prove yourself conservative which means that you are, ummmm, as liberal as your hero Lincoln.

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Well, your concerns about Jeff Davis wh was launching a noble enterprise which had start up costs...

Start up costs? Ignoring the constitution, jailing thousands without trial, launching a war, nationalizing industries, destroying the economy, refusing to staff a branch of government are 'start up costs'? Complete contempt for the beliefs of our Founding Father's are 'start up costs'? Why not come out and say it? It doesn't matter what he did, you will forgive Davis anything, anything at all, in your haste to condemn Lincoln. You claim Lincoln massacred the Constitution yet call Davis' massacre of his own a 'noble enterprise'. You lament Lincoln's UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and conscription in the North but spare no words against Davis' UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and conscription in the South. Unbelievable, but typical of you based on the posts I've seen.

Unless you have some provision of the Confederate constitution that Jeff Davis allegedly violated, there is no vilolation by him.

God you're pathetic. Have you never even read the confederate constitution? If conscription was unconstitutional in the North how could it not be in the South? If income tax was unconstitutional in the North how could it not be in the South? But that wasn't enough for Davis, oh no! He had to go the next step and ignore the constitution's provision requiring a supreme court. One was never established. He had to ignore the constitution's provisions against protective tariffs. One was adopted in May 1861. And I notice that you haven't even mentioned seizing private property and nationalizing industries, obviously having no problem with that. Your fawning over Davis and his socialistic, big government policies would be funny if it wasn't so pitiable. You call yourself a conservative but by your wholesale embrace of Davis and his actions it's obvious what you are. You're a Republiwhigocrat. No political principles, only political expediency. You would support Bill Clinton if he only spoke the right buzzwords.

Jeff Davis was not perfect. Neither were Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, James Longstreet, J.E.B. Stuart or any number of Southern leaders but each was a damn sight better man than Lincoln and a lot closer to Republican principles as we know them today.

Yeah, if your version of 'Republican principles' is big, intrusive, socialistic government policies. Plus a love of slavery to boot. Obviously you would fit right in there.

This exercise is NOT pointless. The point which you concede is that you would have to lie to prove yourself conservative which means that you are, ummmm, as liberal as your hero Lincoln.

Yeah it is. You deify a man like Davis without the faintest idea of the crimes he committed. You lie about Lincoln, lie about Davis, and probably exaggerate about your credentials as well. Go away and find someone you can actually snow.

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And the widespread starvation, cities leveled and all the rest that I was asking about?

HEADQUARTERS, In the Field, February 27, 1865.
Maj. Gen. W. T. SHERMAN, U.S. Army:
GENERAL:.... .....I have directed my men to shoot down all of your men who are caught burning houses. This order shall remain in force so long as you disgrace the profession of arms by allowing your men to destroy private dwellings. You say that I cannot, of course, question your right to forage on the country--"It is a right as old as history." I do not sir, question this right. But there is a right older, even, than this, and one more inalienable--the right that every man has to defend his home and to protect those who are dependent on him; and from my heart I wish that every old man and boy in my country who can fire a gun would shoot down, as he would a wild beast, the men who are desolating their land, burning their homes, and insulting their women. You are particular in defining and claiming "war rights." May I ask if you enumerate among these the right to fire upon a defenseless city without notice; to burn that city to the ground after it had been surrendered by the inhabitants who claimed, though in vain, that protection which is always accorded in civilized warfare to non-combatants; to fire the dwelling houses of citizens after robbing them; and to perpetrate even darker crimes than these crimes too black to be mentioned? You have permitted, if you have not ordered, the commission of these offenses against humanity and the rules of war; you fired into the city of Columbia without a word of warning; after its surrender by the mayor, who demanded protection to private property, you laid the whole city in ashes, leaving amidst its ruins thousands of old men and helpless women and children, who are likely to perish of starvation and exposure. Your line of march can be traced by the lurid light of burning houses, and in more than one household there is now an agony far more bitter than that of death. The Indian scalped his victim regardless of age or sex, but with all his barbarity he always respected the persons of his female captives. Your soldiers, more savage than the lndian, insult those whose natural protectors are absent. In conclusion, I have only to request that whenever you have any of my men "murdered" or "disposed of," for the terms appear to be synonymous with you, you will let me hear of it, that I may know what action to take in the matter. In the meantime I shall hold fifty-six of your men as hostages for those whom you have ordered to be executed. I am, yours, &c.,
WADE HAMPTON, Lieutenant-General.

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If I am going to take you on I am definitely going to have to get that DVD.

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It is becoming more worth the purchase price as I learn to navigate it. It will be a boon to you also, as it describes sometimes the efforts of "some" to get rations for starving citizens.

[ninenot]

Yeah...food is food, even during Lent.

I can't speak for B-16, but as a RC, thanks for your prayers for the Pope, who will need ALL of them...

[ninenot]

Well...if nothing else, Sherman had a legacy in HSTruman, who chose to butcher Nagasaki's citizens...

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Gentlemen, not that I don't enjoy this type of jousting, heck on another thread I would gladly join in the fray, but the Civil War has little to do with the subject at hand.

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Sorry for the distraction sir, you are quite right.