Start up costs? Ignoring the constitution, jailing thousands without trial, launching a war, nationalizing industries, destroying the economy, refusing to staff a branch of government are 'start up costs'? Complete contempt for the beliefs of our Founding Father's are 'start up costs'? Why not come out and say it? It doesn't matter what he did, you will forgive Davis anything, anything at all, in your haste to condemn Lincoln. You claim Lincoln massacred the Constitution yet call Davis' massacre of his own a 'noble enterprise'. You lament Lincoln's UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and conscription in the North but spare no words against Davis' UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax and conscription in the South. Unbelievable, but typical of you based on the posts I've seen.
Unless you have some provision of the Confederate constitution that Jeff Davis allegedly violated, there is no vilolation by him.
God you're pathetic. Have you never even read the confederate constitution? If conscription was unconstitutional in the North how could it not be in the South? If income tax was unconstitutional in the North how could it not be in the South? But that wasn't enough for Davis, oh no! He had to go the next step and ignore the constitution's provision requiring a supreme court. One was never established. He had to ignore the constitution's provisions against protective tariffs. One was adopted in May 1861. And I notice that you haven't even mentioned seizing private property and nationalizing industries, obviously having no problem with that. Your fawning over Davis and his socialistic, big government policies would be funny if it wasn't so pitiable. You call yourself a conservative but by your wholesale embrace of Davis and his actions it's obvious what you are. You're a Republiwhigocrat. No political principles, only political expediency. You would support Bill Clinton if he only spoke the right buzzwords.
Jeff Davis was not perfect. Neither were Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, James Longstreet, J.E.B. Stuart or any number of Southern leaders but each was a damn sight better man than Lincoln and a lot closer to Republican principles as we know them today.
Yeah, if your version of 'Republican principles' is big, intrusive, socialistic government policies. Plus a love of slavery to boot. Obviously you would fit right in there.
This exercise is NOT pointless. The point which you concede is that you would have to lie to prove yourself conservative which means that you are, ummmm, as liberal as your hero Lincoln.
Yeah it is. You deify a man like Davis without the faintest idea of the crimes he committed. You lie about Lincoln, lie about Davis, and probably exaggerate about your credentials as well. Go away and find someone you can actually snow.
Assuming Confederate CONSTITUTIONAL provisions banning income tax and selective impressment of citizens into the military, Jeff davis was defending against a foreign invasion of the CSA. Lincoln's unquestionable depredations were perpetrated to invade the CSA with no legal justification whatsoever.
Ummmmmm, the CSA had its own constitution and post-secession was no longer bound in the slightest by the constitution of the "union."
No supreme court????? Now right there is proof positive that the CSA had a major advantage over the "union." Without a supreme court, how could the CSA have had abortion and a wide variety of other perversions shoved down its throat. Did the founders of the CSA merely assume that Davis would appoint a bunch of judicial busybodies who might degenerate into new judicial dictators like Marshall????
BTW, you are the source of the notion that I somehow "deify" Jeff Davis. I have already posted that he was not as effective as one might have wished. I note that you have nothing coherent to say about CSA generals like Lee, Jackson, Longstreet, Stuart and that is understandable.
RepubliWhigocrat???? I can speak for myself. I despise the Federalists and Hamilton and Jay and Marshall, most Whigs, and Lincoln for the same reasons that they were all believers in centralized gummint power to keep ordinary folks in line for the benefit of the moneyed interests. Also on the despise list are William Howard Taft (FedReserve and Income Tax), Woodrow Wilson (demented racist "idealist"), Herbert Hoover (tax junkie extraordinaire). I admire Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, the Whig John Tyler (for expending most of his fortune on a unity convention designed to stave off Lincoln's lust to invade the Southland), TR in spite of his expansion of gummint power, Harding, Coolidge, and Republican presidents since 1980 with reservations as to Poppy.
Seizing private property???? Did Bobby Lee confiscate some Southern Illinois home of Lincoln or did Lincoln's lawless regime seize Lee's estate which is now Arlington Cemetery????
I do not merely call myself a conservative. I am a conservative and have walked the walk and talked the talk as you have not. Sittnick comes from where I come from originally and can witness as to my activism.
You want to cite a single word I have ever posted here exhibiting a love of slavery????? Or to withdraw that libel???? Was Jeff Davis convicted of any crime???? Like many other innocent people he was jailed without trial by the union regime but the union never DARED bring him to trial or Robert E. Lee or James Longstreet or even Nathan Bedford Forrest, knowing well that no jury would convict any of them. Of course, they might have brought them before a military tribunal as they did Mary Surratt.
AND, while the Founding Fathers had their flaws, their constitution allowed secession and prohibited Lincoln's draft, income tax and invasion of the CSA and any other exercise of federal power not specifically granted to the federales in the words of the constitution. The Constitution speaks for itself and corrupt decision-making by SCOTUS cannot sanitize the evils of Lincoln's regime.
Lay the record of the Arkansas Antichrist along side that of the southern Illinois railroad lawyer and you will find remarkable similarity which is no compliment to the Arkansas Antichrist.
In Catholicism, we have a term for your most prominent quality: invincible ignorance. By invincible ignorance, you may be spared culpability for evils requiring intent. Of course, invincible ignorance is not a compliment in and of itself.
All that having been said, I agree with Redgolum that this thread is about my bishop, Thomas Doran, his virtues and outstanding column and his isolation of the seven "sacraments" of Lincoln's ideological descendants (my characterization not Redgolum's) and the SCOTUS upon which they and you rely for post-Lincoln depredations against the constitution. If you respond, you are talking to yourself.