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The worst of times: Evangelicalism in critical condition
Pyromaniac ^ | 16 July 2005 | Phil Johnson

Posted on 08/08/2006 1:06:47 PM PDT by Gamecock

he worst of times: Evangelicalism in critical condition

With the wild popularity of so many evangelical fads like "Forty Days of Purpose"; the lucrative success of the Christian publishing and contemporary Christian music industries; the growing influence of the "emerging church" phenomenon; and a recent cover story by Time magazine featuring "The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America," lots of evangelicals might be tempted to think these are the best of times for their movement.

My own assessment would be that evangelicalism's spiritual condition at the beginning of the twenty-first century is reminiscent of the medieval church just prior to the Protestant Reformation.

No, I take it back. Things are much worse among evangelicals today than they were in the Catholic Church in those days. Modern and postmodern evangelicalism is just like medieval Catholicism was—only more superficial.

Think about it: Luther was provoked by Tetzel, the charlatan fund-raiser who went through Europe promising people indulgences in return for money so that the Pope could build St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. We've got at least a dozen Tetzels appearing daily on TBN, promising people material prosperity in exchange for money. Jan Crouch uses that money to make the sets of the TBN studios more garish and more gaudy than any room in the Vatican, and she has added so many tawdry pink hair extensions to her hairdo that it now rivals the size of the dome on St. Peter's.

Tetzel peddled his indulgences with trite songs and sayings ("As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs"). Modern evangelicals are experts in writing doggerel and banal platitudes and have even made silly, superficial songs the centerpieces of all their liturgy.

The medieval church was overrun with superstition. We've got people reciting the prayer of Jabez every day who are convinced it's a magic formula that will bring them wealth and good luck.

The Medieval church produced Niccolò Machiavelli, the cynical and unscrupulous political theorist who believed the end always justifies the means. We've got a host of evangelical celebrities with shady reputations, from Gary Ezzo to Benny Hinn. We've also got a thousand church-growth "experts" who insist pragmatism is the only workable philosophy for the church today, and that we will never "reach" this generation until we first study which way the winds of popular culture are blowing and follow along.

Evangelicalism as a movement has bought that lie. That's why we have so many Fad-Driven® Churches and so few where Christ is honored and His Word obeyed. That's why the gospel is not only in eclipse but actually under attack on several fronts within evangelicalism.

We don't need more hype and activity and mass movements. We need the pure light of God's Word—"the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises" (2 Peter 1:19).

The alternative is a postmodern darkness that is shaping up to be worse than the murkiest spiritual gloom of the Dark Ages. We could sure use a new generation of Reformers.




TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; church; evangelical; evangelicalism; evangelicals; grpl; modernism; problems; reformed; tbn
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To: Gamecock
Wow!!! LOOK AT THAT HAIR!!!

If I join will I get hair like that. :O)

Green with envy.

61 posted on 08/09/2006 9:11:59 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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To: Gamecock
Hey, when's the last time you came out and cried foul on just one thing that the Evangelical church in general is doing that is wrong? Or are evangelical authors and pastors infallible?

There was a thread a few weeks back about Rick Warren signing off on some stupid political thing and at that time I realized that Rick Warren had indeed driven off the cliff and I vowed not to defend him anymore.

In regard to some of the teachings at Saddleback, there are several heresies creeping into that church which have caused a lot of concern, particularly the idea of "contemplative prayer" and "emergent spirituality".

FWIW, Calvary Chapel has officially distanced itself from any "Purpose Driven" programs or materials. On the issue of "Contemplative prayer", this has caused a rift in the Chuck Smith family, with Chuck Smith Sr. actually removing any affiliation which his son's church, which is no longer in fellowship with the Calvary Chapel movement. Chuck Smith Jr. has essentially gone off the deep end and has started genuflecting (literally) after prayers and putting up Icons and candles in his church.

62 posted on 08/09/2006 10:38:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Terabitten
The AG's 16 Fundamental Truths are, for the most part, basic Christian doctrine that could apply to any denomination.

Um, that was my point.

63 posted on 08/09/2006 12:04:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: BikerGold

**The MEGA-church bashing FAD has been over for six months.**

I am NOT bashing mega-churches. I m showing how some authors and publishers will milk the public for all they can get.

The author of THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, which is NOT a Christian book, did the same.


64 posted on 08/09/2006 1:38:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: Diamond

**The critical issue today is dullness. **

Well, if the preachers would give sound doctrinal preaching it wouldn't be boring or dull.

I saw a critical cartoon years ago of a preacher carrying a booklet, but NOT a Bible, that was titled "How To Tickle Their Ears".


65 posted on 08/09/2006 1:43:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: xzins

***Heretics roasting on an open fire
Jesuit nipping off their nose***

Well, thats just great! I was trying to come up with words to that tune myself! You beat me to it.


66 posted on 08/09/2006 1:47:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: P-Marlowe

**They even hate Cigars. :-)**

Right! And they even preach that Jesus changed the water into pure unfermented grape juice. ( I heard that one preached from a pulpit on Sunday Morning a few years ago).


67 posted on 08/09/2006 1:51:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: Gamecock

"Don't drink, don't smoke, don't cuss, and don't tolerate those who do."

They also do not recognize each other at the liquer store.

Someone on FR posted this joke not long back..

Why should you always take TWO baptists fishing?
If you take ONE he will drink up all your beer.


68 posted on 08/09/2006 1:57:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: Gamecock

***provoked by Tetzel, the charlatan fund-raiser ***

Several years ago, late one night I turned on the TV to TBN and saw Jan Crouch working the audience with this plea for money.
If they would send in twenty dollars she would send them a 2000 year old copy of an ancient letter telling what Jesus looked like.
She read part of the letter, puting all her emotion into it. It was a sickening act to watch.

Now, anyone who has taken Art History would know that this letter is a forgery written about the 1300's to give artists of the time a basis for their religious paintings.
Yet she was hawking it as real.

I tuned in a few other times and saw other acts of this nature before tuning out permanently.


69 posted on 08/09/2006 2:11:19 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: HarleyD

**If I join will I get hair like that. :O)***

I would take any hair I could get!

One day I scratched my head and there was none there!


70 posted on 08/09/2006 2:13:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: P-Marlowe
There is a presbyterian minister who occasionally posts on this board who doesn't appear to believe a single verse in the bible. I cannot recall you or any of the GRPL's ever bothering to challenge him even once. You seem quite happy with pointing out all the errors in everyone else's church yet the Presbyterian Church is falling into heresies that few if any evangelical churches would dare to fall into.

Who would this individual be?

Unlike some others, I can't spend every waking minute following freerepublic. I only look at what looks interesting.

71 posted on 08/09/2006 2:29:59 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Blois
We peddle our fire insurance with clownish advertising icons unable to compete with cute Gekkos.

Maybe the point here is that television advertising isn't the way to save souls. I see ads almost constantly where I live from Lakewood, Fellowship of the Woodlands, Second Baptist, and Grace, a new megachurch on the Southwest side. I find it crass. Sure, it probably puts butts in the seats, but does it save souls? I think not.

72 posted on 08/09/2006 3:06:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Yalla yalla yalla, send you back to allah, screw you inshallah, along with hezballah.)
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To: Larry Lucido
No site to reference Larry. Watch & listen. Many of the religious leaders judge themselves fit for rapture and thus conclude they've no fear of the end times. Jesus will do the judging. Until that time anyone can fall. Jesus warned all can be forgiven by God except blasphemes against God, and Revelations tells us blasphemes will occur before the rapture. Jesus never taunted Satan. Beware of those that do. And people need to worry less about the end times and realize we will all face an end time, be it in the end of days or just the end of our individual days.
73 posted on 08/09/2006 3:48:37 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Gamecock

Another thought, there are always antichrists present as Satan must be ever ready for the time God chooses. People looking for one antichrist will dismiss the many.


74 posted on 08/09/2006 3:52:22 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Lee N. Field

Check Your freepmail.


75 posted on 08/09/2006 4:28:52 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: .30Carbine
I had the awesome pleasure of sharing this same great news with another dead sinner yesterday, and I saw the message received for the good news it was - awe for mercy! awe for the message and that He would use this messenger! awe every time it is received among men! If even the angels rejoice, why not we?

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

God Bless you .30Carbine

76 posted on 08/09/2006 4:42:53 PM PDT by Clay+Iron_Times (The feet of the statue and the latter days of the church age)
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To: backtothestreets

Oh, there's plenty to criticize regarding some evangelicals. But even then, there's a difference between making wild-ass predictions (that's been going on forever) and actually trying to bring about the end times or, as you put it, "making ready the way for an antichrist." Whatever else their faults, I don't know of any televangelist or anyone else trying to actually spark armageddon

Though I do remember plenty of folks accusing Reagan of trying to do just that through thermonuclear war.


77 posted on 08/09/2006 6:04:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Gamecock
Like I said earlier, Evangelicals today can't sniff out heresy

That's because IMO many (most?) Evangelicals are formally anti-creedal. They don't accept/bow/submit to any of the historic confessions or creeds of the church (Apostles', Athanasian, Westminister, Heidelberg, etc). Thus, they don't have an accepted, documented standard upon which to judge heresy by, let alone define what it is.

But it's safe to assume that if it's a top-ten seller at Family Christian or Lifeway Bookstores, it can't be heresy.

78 posted on 08/09/2006 6:26:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh but they do have creeds:

This year's evengelical creed is the Purpose Driven Life.

Last years was Your Best Life Now.

A couple of years ago it was the Prayer of Jezabel, I mean Jabez...


79 posted on 08/09/2006 9:39:59 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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To: Gamecock

I got hooked into a study group for The Purpose Driven Life. It didn't last long. Knowing the scriptures, I quickly realized this had nothing whatsoever to do with them, and dropped out. What a waste of money on that book and study guide!


80 posted on 08/09/2006 9:45:47 PM PDT by ladyinred
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