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The Rise of a Counterfeit Christianity
The Church Jesus Built ^ | 1997? | Various

Posted on 07/08/2006 6:41:47 AM PDT by DouglasKC

The Rise of a Counterfeit Christianity

"Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name . . . and will deceive many" (Matthew 24:4-5).

Jesus Christ told His apostles to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in His name. Most people who are familiar with the Bible realize those apostles zealously embarked on that mission. Their converts were first called Christians in the city of Antioch (Acts 11:26). Since then, so many people have been born or converted into the hundreds of denominations known collectively as "Christianity" that it is one of the world's most popular and dominant religions.

People assume that all, or at least almost all, who bear the name Christian follow the beliefs, teachings and practices of Jesus Christ. But the Bible tells us that not everyone who accepts the name of Christ is really a Christian.

Jesus predicted that some would claim His name but deny Him by their actions. He said they would "call Me 'Lord, Lord,'" but "not do the things which I say" (Luke 6:46). Christ and His apostles spoke of false prophets, false apostles and false brethren. They revealed that two opposing ostensibly Christian religions would emerge. One—the Church Jesus founded—would be led by God's Spirit and remain faithful to His teachings. The other—guided and influenced by a different spirit—would accept the name of Christ but twist His teachings to create a convincing counterfeit of the true Church of God.

Both would use Christ's name and claim His authority. Both would perform works that would outwardly appear good and right. Both would claim to be following Christ's true teachings. But only one would faithfully represent its founder, Jesus Christ. The other would capture the minds and hearts of humanity by attaching the name of Christ to biblically insupportable religious customs and doctrines that Jesus and His apostles neither practiced nor approved.

The apostles repeatedly warned Jesus' followers to beware of false teachers who would introduce counterfeit-Christian beliefs. Jesus Himself warned: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name . . . and will deceive many" (Matthew 24:4-5).

The New Testament presents a concise historical sketch of the roots of these two religions that profess to be Christian—one real, one counterfeit. Christ's apostles described the origin of each and their fundamental characteristics.

We have already examined the apostles' description of the Church Jesus founded. Now let's look at the record they left us of another supposedly Christian religion—one that distorted and corrupted the truth and grew to become far more powerful and influential than the small Church Jesus promised would never die out.

Teaching the traditions of men

Where do most churches get their teachings and practices? Most of their members assume they come from the Bible or from Jesus Christ Himself. But do they? Jesus commanded His apostles to teach others exactly what He had taught—"teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:20, NIV). He condemned the replacing of God's commandments with traditions and human reason. Speaking to the Pharisees, He said, "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men . . . All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition" (Mark 7:8-9).

Jesus taught that His Church should keep the commandments of God: "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). He warned: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied [preached] in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:22-23). He knew that false teachers would arise who would reject the commandments of God for a distorted gospel of no law—lawlessness!

Like Jesus, the apostles consistently taught obedience to God. Peter and the other apostles risked their lives to make it clear that "we ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). Paul expressed the same commitment he shared with the other apostles—of a life of obedience. "Through him [Christ] and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith" (Romans 1:5, NIV).

Paul later cautioned members of the congregation in Colosse to hold fast to what he had taught them. "As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught . . ." (Colossians 2:6-7).

Following Christ's example, Paul warned the Colossians not to accept traditions as replacements for the commandments of God: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ" (Colossians 2:8; compare Mark 7:8-9, 13).

Why did Jesus Christ and the apostles sound such urgent warnings to avoid the traditions of men?

Subversion from within the Church

As the apostles strove to establish still more congregations of believers among the nations, a phenomenon arose that eventually produced an alternate and outwardly Christian religion—but one quite different from the Church Jesus and His apostles established.

New and different doctrines were subtly introduced. Some began subverting the Church by challenging and contradicting the teachings of Christ's apostles. Paul warned, "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain" (Titus 1:10-11).

To counter this trend, Paul instructed fellow elder Titus to carefully consider the background, knowledge and character of anyone being considered for ordination: "Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless . . . He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it" (verses 7, 9, NIV).

Increasingly, "false apostles" began contradicting and undermining the teachings of the true apostles of Christ. Paul cautioned the church in Rome: "I urge you, brothers and sisters, to keep an eye on those who cause dissensions and offenses, in opposition to the teaching that you have learned; avoid them. For such people do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded. For while your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, I want you to be wise in what is good and guileless in what is evil" (Romans 16:17-19, NRSV).

Competing religious leaders, masquerading as ministers of Christ, began teaching their own false doctrines "in opposition to" Christ's apostles and other of his faithful servants. At first they came predominantly from a Jewish background. But then false teachers emerged from people of other backgrounds within the Church. The subversive doctrines that eventually grew to be the most influential were a blend of pagan and misguided Jewish philosophies synthesized with the mysticism popular at that time.

Simon the Sorcerer was one such false teacher mentioned early in the Scriptures. After his baptism by Philip, Simon attempted to buy the office of apostle from Peter, hoping to obtain the power to grant others the Holy Spirit. Motivated by his greed for power and influence, he faked conversion to appear Christian (Acts 8:9-23). Later historical sources indicate that he blended various elements of paganism and mysticism into a counterfeit-Christian philosophy.

A dangerous trend was established. Soon "false apostles," "false teachers" and "false brethren" abounded.

A counterfeit Christianity was born.

A different gospel gains ground

The impact of distorted teachings devastated the early Church. For example, Christians in the Roman province of Galatia turned en masse from the teachings of the apostle Paul and to a corrupted, cunningly devised but counterfeit gospel promoted by these false apostles.

Paul described the approach they used and the effect the false teachers had on Christians in Galatia: "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:6-7). The brethren in that area were being swept into one of the many sects making up the emerging false Christianity. Paul had to contend with religious strife generated by Jewish and gentile elements in the Galatian congregations.

These cunning pretenders did not reject outright the gospel Paul taught. They simply perverted aspects of it. Then they seduced the Galatian Christians into accepting their gospel—a deadly mixture of truth and error. It contained enough truth to appear righteous and Christian, but it contained sufficient error to prevent any who would accept it from receiving salvation.

Notice Paul's blistering condemnation of that "different" gospel: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (verses 8-9).

A gospel of no law

Jesus warned His apostles this would happen: "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Matthew 24:11-12). Jesus explained that lawlessness, the key element in the message of the false teachers, would make their ideas appealing and popular. Disregard for God's law would finally become the foundation of a popular and successful counterfeit Christianity.

The false prophets devised their message and doctrines by verbally acknowledging Jesus as "Lord" while refusing to obey Him (Luke 6:46). Jesus Himself warned of their deceitful, cunning approach: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15).

Jesus made it clear that teachers of lawlessness, who outwardly appear as innocent sheep performing devoutly religious acts, are not His apostles or servants: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (verses 22-23).

God's law: the religious battleground

Controversy over God's law erupted within the Church as soon as the first gentiles (non-Israelites) were converted. Certain Jewish believers wanted to force circumcision and other physical requirements on the gentiles. They demanded that gentile converts be physically circumcised to receive salvation (Acts 15:1).

The apostles refused. They pointed out that even Moses had taught that the circumcision that made one acceptable to God was a matter of the heart (Deuteronomy 30:6; compare with Romans 2:29 and Colossians 2:11-12). Also, God had declared Abraham to be righteous in His sight before he was circumcised (Romans 4:9-12). Therefore, they explained, physical circumcision should not be regarded as a requirement for the gentiles' salvation (Acts 15:2, 5-10). For further proof, Peter noted that God had recently given the Holy Spirit to several gentiles without their being circumcised, demonstrating His will in the matter (verse 8; Acts 11:1-4, 15-18).

The same Jews also demanded that gentiles observe the temple ceremonies and rituals that pointed to the sacrifice of Christ. The apostles insisted that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for the forgiveness of sins through the grace of God (Hebrews 7:26-27).

The temple sacrifices and rituals were only temporary institutions until the sacrifice of the real "Lamb of God" (John 1:29). The apostles taught that they were no longer required (Acts 15:11; Hebrews 9:1-15) because they were "concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation" (Hebrews 9:10).

But the apostles never regarded God's spiritual laws, summarized by the Ten Commandments, as being in the same category with "fleshly ordinances." They always supported obedience to God's commandments. Paul made this clear: "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters" (1 Corinthians 7:19). He concluded: "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law" (Romans 3:31).

Distorted view of God's grace

Just as Jesus had foretold, unscrupulous teachers pounced on the teachings of Paul and the other apostles and twisted their meaning (2 Peter 3:15-16). By distorting the apostles' words, first about grace and then about those "fleshly ordinances" that are no longer necessary, they discovered a way to excuse their unlawful behavior. "For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness [shameful behavior] and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ" (Jude 4).

To them, grace excused sin—the breaking of God's law—by allowing them to disregard scriptural teachings they did not like. They twisted Paul's explanation that we cannot earn salvation with our own "works" into an excuse for making no effort to obey God.

Peter pinpointed their real problem. They "despise authority": "They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries . . ." (2 Peter 2:10). A dominant characteristic of these deceivers was their eagerness to verbally attack and undermine the apostles and elders who were the true shepherds of God's flock.

As a consequence, said Peter, "they have forsaken the right way and gone astray . . ." (verse 15). "For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption . . ." (verses 18-19).

Now a problem even more sinister developed among the scattered congregations of God's people. False teachers, instead of trying to impose more law on gentiles, began exploiting God's mercy—the grace of God—to advocate the idea that Christians have been liberated from the law and no longer need to obey it. However, God says transgressing His law is sin (1 John 3:4).

These teachers misrepresented God's law as an unnecessary burden. John responded: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).

Contrary to the idea of being liberated from law, James calls God's commandments a "royal law" and the "law of liberty" (James 2:8-12). God designed His law to guarantee freedom from the consequences of such evils as adultery, murder, theft, fraud and covetousness.

It is sin, not God's law, that enslaves us (Romans 6:6). We become free from the enslavement to sin by obeying God (verse 17). Paul explains that obedience and righteousness are inseparable. "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous" (Romans 2:13, NIV).

Satan the devil: master deceiver

Those who promoted these lawless principles were influenced by Satan. Paul said: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

Satan hates God's law. He is a master deceiver. Naturally, he will spare no effort to infiltrate the Church Christ founded.

To accomplish his purpose, Satan uses people to mislead other people. It is easy for him to influence human beings who desire to teach others when they are motivated by personal ambition. This is especially true if they lack a proper understanding of the Scriptures. Satan simply takes advantage of their desire to be spiritual teachers. He seduces susceptible individuals to pay lip service to Christ while creating their own new sets of doctrines and ignoring or disobeying portions of God's laws.

Paul told Timothy to "charge some that they teach no other doctrine" and have a "pure heart," "good conscience" and "sincere faith, . . . from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm" (1 Timothy 1:3, 6-7). Sincere but misguided religious leaders can and do accept doctrines that permit them to break some of God's commandments. Then they persuade others to believe as they do. Sadly, through the devil's influence, they convince themselves that their misguided concepts are righteous—that God is pleased with them. They believe the false doctrines they teach. Although sincere, they are sincerely mistaken.

Paul says, "The coming of the lawless one [a future teacher who will advocate doctrines contrary to God's laws] is according to the working of Satan . . . with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie" (2 Thessalonians 2:9-11). Probably none of the misguided teachers perceives he is in reality advocating Satan's point of view.

However, by creating a counterfeit-Christian religion—one that is not entirely different from the true Church but rejects some of the essential biblical teachings that lead to eternal life—Satan is attempting to thwart God's plan for the salvation of mankind. Remember, Jesus says, "if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). That is exactly what the devil wants to prevent.

He promotes a lawless Christianity that teaches we can selectively obey—or even ignore—God's commandments.

Lawlessness in varying degrees is the centerpiece of Satan's counterfeit doctrines. His purpose is to convince people that they are serving Christ while cutting them off from salvation by clouding their understanding of what sin is so they will continue in sin—so they will practice at least some degree of lawlessness.

To accomplish his purpose, Satan exploits human nature. He sways people to believe his deceptions (1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9). Satan retains just enough truth in his doctrines to persuade people they are following Christ. But he introduces sufficient error to prevent them from living the way that would ultimately lead to eternal life.

Why disobedience appeals to human nature

Satan is successful in deceiving humanity for good reason. The apostle Paul explains that the natural mind of man—the mind that is not guided by God's Spirit—cannot always see the purpose behind God's laws. "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Most people are not overtly hostile toward many of God's laws. They usually recognize that deeds such as murder and theft are wrong. However, they are hostile—perhaps without recognizing their innate hostility—toward laws that challenge their own personal, natural way of thinking. In that sense lawlessness appeals to people. Paul explains why disobedience can appeal to our baser instincts: ". . . The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be" (Romans 8:7). The carnal, or fleshly, mind not only lacks spiritual discernment, it resents God's authority as expressed in His laws. The New International Version translates this verse: ". . . The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so."

We call this sinful tendency human nature—a combination of human weakness and acquired attitudes resulting from Satan's influence on people. Satan exploits human nature. He uses his false teachers to convince other people that they are "liberated" from the laws of God, thus excusing their tendency to be hostile toward God's laws. So, rather than abandoning a life of lawlessness, those led astray by this deception continue in sin. Thinking their disobedient actions are permissible to God, they fail to recognize, at least in some of their beliefs and behavior, the gravity of their sinful actions.

But the apostle James makes it clear that this approach and attitude to God's royal law are entirely wrong. "For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10). The context shows James is speaking of the Ten Commandments (verses 8-9, 11). God's fundamental law is made up of 10 points, and He requires us to observe them all—in letter and spirit.

A falling away from truth begins

Christ praised the church in Ephesus for refusing to follow false apostles who tried to take advantage of their human nature and seduce them. "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" (Revelation 2:2).

But not everyone in every congregation followed the example of the church in Ephesus. Many accepted the teachings of the false apostles and reverted to sinning. That is why Peter wrote: "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them" (2 Peter 2:20-21).

People began turning away from the teachings of Christ's true apostles. They accepted the philosophies of false teachers. Peter had explicitly warned that this would occur. He said false teachers would arise "among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed" (2 Peter 2:1-2).

Peter anticipated that not just a few—but many—Christians would turn aside from the truth to follow doctrines that were more appealing to the carnal mind. Later John confirms this happened. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us" (1 John 2:19).

Barnabas and Saul (later renamed Paul) encountered a false prophet determined to turn people away from the truth. "Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus . . . But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith" (Acts 13:6-8).

On other occasions the problem lay with false brethren (Galatians 2:4). Paul referred to his trials "in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren" (2 Corinthians 11:26).

These false Christians had not become a genuine threat just to Paul's safety and effectiveness, but they had also become a significant part of the visible Christian community. Some may have finally gone out from God's special people but continued calling themselves Christian. Others became members of new and supposedly liberated sects that retained the name Christian. Still others probably remained in the fellowship of true believers and over time subverted congregations to their own heretical teachings.

A false Christianity was beginning to take a firm hold.

True Christians forced out of congregations

As the teachings of false ministers gained in popularity, their followers gradually grew to be the majority in some congregations. The apostle John records one such tragic example: "I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church" (3 John 9-10).

Incredible as it sounds, those who were faithful to the teaching of the apostles were expelled from this congregation. They had become the minority. The majority had chosen to follow Diotrephes, who, in his own lust for power and influence, falsely accused the apostle John. Satan had succeeded in placing his minister over this congregation, expelling the faithful servants of Jesus Christ.

Remember, Jesus had already warned His true servants that this would happen: "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:13-15).

He also said: "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: 'These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men" (Mark 7:6-8, NIV). Now we can understand why Paul explained to Christians in Rome the appropriate response to those who were stirring up division within the Church. "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them" (Romans 16:17).

Counterfeit Christianity dominates

By the end of the third century the true servants of God had become a distinct minority among those who called themselves Christians. The counterfeit Christianity had become the majority.

False teachers had successfully gained a far larger following than the faithful ministers of God. However, history shows the counterfeit sects were not united in their beliefs. Many factions existed among them.

Nevertheless, divided and unconverted as it was, this new brand of Christianity rapidly expanded its membership and became the visible Christian church. Purporting to offer salvation, but without the necessity of real repentance, it held just enough truth to appeal to the masses.

In spite of its faults, it appeared to offer a hope unequaled by any pagan religion at that time. None of the pagan religions offered a believable way for people to receive forgiveness of sins and obtain eternal life. This new religion seemed to offer just that. Little did its followers realize that its promises, without real repentance, were made in vain.

By the end of the third century this counterfeit Christianity was a squabbling, bitterly divided religion. But at the beginning of the fourth century two things happened that abruptly altered the course of Christian history. First, the Roman emperor Diocletian intensified the policy of many previous Roman emperors of persecuting Christians and ordered that all Christian manuscripts be burned. This dramatically renewed a climate of fear throughout the Christian community.

Ten years later another emperor, Constantine, came to power. He had defeated another powerful contender for the right to replace Diocletian as emperor, but he still had many enemies, and his political position remained insecure. In all the empire, only Christians were unaligned politically. Constantine immediately saw an opportunity to use this formerly persecuted and politically alienated religious body to strengthen his hold on the empire.

First he legalized Christianity. Then, only two years later, he called all the divided professing-Christian groups together to hammer out a unified system of belief. He wanted a united religious body that was politically committed to him.

To achieve this, Constantine presided over doctrinal deliberations and dictated statements of belief whenever disagreements could not be resolved amicably. He soon successfully molded the bickering groups of counterfeit Christians who were willing to accept state control into a strong and unified vassal of the Roman Empire. Williston Walker, former professor of ecclesiastical history at Yale University, tells us that, in 323, "Constantine was at last the sole ruler of the Roman world. The church was everywhere free from persecution . . . But, in winning its freedom from its enemies, it had come largely under the control of the occupant of the Roman imperial throne. A fateful union with the state had begun" (A History of the Christian Church, 1946, p. 111).

A religion transformed through syncretism

As this new religion—now supported by the Roman emperors—grew in power and influence, it sought to become a truly universal church. In its ambition to add more members, many new converts—and many new practices—were welcomed into its fold.

Charles Guignebert, professor of the history of Christianity at the University of Paris, described the process: "Now at the beginning of the fifth century, the ignorant and the semi-Christians thronged into the Church in numbers . . . They had forgotten none of their pagan customs . . . The bishops of that period had to content themselves with redressing, as best they could, and in experimental fashion, the shocking malformations of the Christian faith which they perceived around them . . .

"[Properly instructing converts] was out of the question; they had to be content with teaching them no more than the symbol of baptism and then baptizing them en masse, postponing until a later date the task of eradicating their superstitions, which they preserved intact . . . This 'later date' never arrived, and the Church adapted to herself, as well as she could, them and their customs and beliefs. On their side, they were content to dress up their paganism in a Christian cloak" (The Early History of Christianity, 1927, p. 208-210, emphasis added throughout).

What was the result? This state-dominated Christianity became a bizarre synthesis of beliefs, practices and customs from many sources.

As Guignebert explained: "It is sometimes very difficult to tell exactly from which pagan rite a particular Christian rite is derived, but it remains certain that the spirit of pagan ritualism became impressed upon Christianity, to such an extent that at last the whole of it might be found distributed through its ceremonies" (p. 121).

In those early centuries the counterfeit Christianity that the apostles of Jesus Christ had fought so hard to contain grew in size and popularity. In later centuries this religion would fragment repeatedly into competing denominations. Tragically, however, none completely returned to the original practices and teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles. This fact is recognized by many modern biblical scholars. (See "Changes in Christian Scholars' Perspective on God's Law," p. 44.)

Meanwhile, those who, through these many centuries, have faithfully continued to yield their lives to God in sincere obedience to His laws are still, comparatively speaking, only a "little flock" in a confused world.



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To: Larry Lucido
So if I'm reading this correctly, only about 10 people will be raptured - and those will be folks who've read scripture in every original language and managed to get every detail exactly right along the way

No. God has a plan for those who may have been deceived. Scripture indicates that the number of those ultimately saved will be a great number:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

41 posted on 07/09/2006 6:49:45 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Conservative til I die
Can someone just let me know if this is more Judaizer propaganda? That way I know I can skip the thread and not waste my time.

It's not, so read away.

42 posted on 07/09/2006 6:50:31 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: smpb
This document that someone posted is just wishful thinking and speculation with no documentation (because none is possible) from actual early Christian writings. My advice: read the early Church fathers, and you will see that they were biblical Christians defending biblical truths.

If you're Roman Catholic then I understand that you hold the traditions of your church to be more of an authority than scripture because you do consider your church to be the one, true, church. Is that a correct understanding? If it is, then I liken it to the Jewish religion of Christ's time. They too considered their interpretations of scripture and the traditions passed down by their elders as a higher authority than scripture. Not surprisingly, Jesus chastisted them for this and tried to explain to them that scripture, not their tradition, should be the authority.

The premise of the article is that Christianity started to become corrupted during biblical times and that it's corruption continues to this day. The evidence of that corruption is astoundingly apparent. Homosexual priests, both in the Catholic and Protestant church, women in authority over men in a vast majority of Protestant churches, sexual immorality run amuk. Acceptance and embracement of homosexuality by many sects. Acceptance of abortion by Christians. The examples are too numerous to mention. It all stems from trusting in the judgement and authority of men, rather than the judgement and authority of God as passed down in his holy scriptures.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

43 posted on 07/09/2006 7:07:06 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: InHisService
Nice post. But what I was really looking to see was examples of how modern day churches are turning from the truth of the gospel. Such as ordaining homosexuals, accepting homosexuality, redefining marriage, etc.

I had to read through most of the article just to find out if they were denouncing the immorality of modern "mainstream" denominations, or if it was just another attempt at Catholic bashing. Unfortunately it was the latter. What's that saying about the hammers of the bashers blunting themselves over the centuries against the anvil of the Church? I wish I could remember the saying.

44 posted on 07/09/2006 7:40:50 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: BelegStrongbow
Is the Eucharist also a memorial? Yes, but that is the least important facet of this holy mystery. As I say, the Eucharist is an anamnesis rather than a memory, despite many faulty translations suggesting the two words are synonyms. They are not.

I really don't want to rehash this subject and take the thread off course. I understand what you're saying and I agree completely. However, that's a long way from the concept of transubstantiation no matter how you define anamesis.

My point was that the symbols of wine and bread WERE established on Passover, a festival of God. God had a reason for creating the days he considers holy. Traditional Christianity, by bypassing the example of Christ, has lost the meaning and purpose of these days.

The other point relates to the Canon of Scripture. You have stated that God canonized Scripture long before men did. This probably has significant analysis behind it, but for humans to know that a given text is canonized or not, some human or group of humans is going to have to say that the text is canonized, so everybody else will know. That group is going to have to have authority to say that this text is canonized while that one is not and the Church as a whole is going to have to then ratify that the decision is valid.

Again, I want to address this but only so far as it pertains to the point of the article.

My view, based upon scripture, is that the books that became the new testament were compiled by the first disciples and deemed authoritative. Since the disciples actually personally knew Christ while in the flesh, and/or were taught by him after the resurrection, there was no question that they had the authority to deem what was God breathed AND to be used for the future edification of the church. The canon was closed after that.

By insisting on the view that men 300 years later "canonized" scripture a subtle subverting of the authority of scripture and of the teaching of the original disciples began to creep into theology.

45 posted on 07/09/2006 7:45:07 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Not quite. It's threefold:. Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magesterium. Like a checks and balances system. Any one of these three on their own is insufficient. One area cannot be in conflict with another. So a pope can't decree that homosexuality is now 'okay', this would be against scripture. Scripture cannot be interpreted without the light of Sacred Tradition. It's about as oderly as it can get... Sola scriptura scares the daylights out of me... one, because the bible does not teach Sola scriptura and two, because I believe it is what causes anarchy!!! If someone doesn't like the way scripture is interpreted they go start their own church, and then another, and another, and another...etc. It's how we ended up with certain denominations okaying homosexual leaders... this is clearly their own interpretation of scripture. Homosexuality is just one example.

Personally, I don't think it really matters to argue these points. I don't believe that this is what Jesus intended us to be doing. And I don't think it does anything for spreading the Good Word. People on the fence, who hear this kind of thing, will run for their lives! :)


46 posted on 07/09/2006 8:04:15 AM PDT by Krista33
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To: Krista33
Scripture cannot be interpreted without the light of Sacred Tradition.

I would say that scripture can't be interpreted or understood without the guidance of the holy spirit. Your understanding, as stated, relies more on the interpretation of men who may or may not have had God's spirit.

It's about as oderly as it can get... Sola scriptura scares the daylights out of me... one, because the bible does not teach Sola scriptura and two, because I believe it is what causes anarchy

I don't believe in soloa scriptura either because salvation only comes through Christ. And I do believe that teachers are a good thing...BUT, scripture does say that scripture alone CAN make one wise to salvation:

2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus

Personally, I don't think it really matters to argue these points. I don't believe that this is what Jesus intended us to be doing. And I don't think it does anything for spreading the Good Word. People on the fence, who hear this kind of thing, will run for their lives! :)

I think Jesus intended us to make discples out of all nations and to preach the gospel. If there's a difference of opinion on what that gospel is, we should follow Paul's advice:

2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myth

47 posted on 07/09/2006 8:42:00 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: BelegStrongbow; DouglasKC
"...At the end of His earthly ministry, He then ordained the Apostles, laying His hands upon them and breathing the Holy Spirit into them and directed them to go into the world, baptizing all people and teaching them to follow all of His commandmenets. That He comannded them to celebrate the Eucharist must certainly be one of those commandments. That He ordained them AND NO OTHERS to do this meant that they were empowered through Him to do this. That we must always do this is why we inferred that the authority to do so could be passed on, SO LONG AS IT WAS PASSED ON IN THE SAME WAY AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY GRANTED..."

Unless I misunderstand what you are saying you miss the exceptions of Paul and James (Acts 15). How were they "ordained"? When" By whom?
48 posted on 07/09/2006 8:47:12 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: DouglasKC

All these people who complain about about pagan influences in the early church have obviously never read or never understood the Nicene Creed. That is the core of Catholic teaching, and I can't find anything even close to pagan influence in it.


49 posted on 07/09/2006 9:00:51 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant
All these people who complain about about pagan influences in the early church have obviously never read or never understood the Nicene Creed. That is the core of Catholic teaching, and I can't find anything even close to pagan influence in it.

The holy bible is the core of my teaching. Creeds postulated by men don't particulary hold much weight, imo. But maybe you just worded it wrong.

50 posted on 07/09/2006 9:17:18 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Which part of the Creed is unbiblical?


51 posted on 07/09/2006 10:04:55 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant
Which part of the Creed is unbiblical?

Which creed? The one forumulated in 325 AD (nearly 300 years after the death of Christ), the one in 381 AD (Over 300 years after the death of Christ) or the one containing the filioque (first proposed in 447 AD, over 400 years after the death of Christ).

52 posted on 07/09/2006 10:09:46 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: siunevada; DouglasKC

Good catch. Thanks.


53 posted on 07/09/2006 10:36:37 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: DouglasKC

I thought so! :-)


54 posted on 07/09/2006 10:37:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: DouglasKC

The full Nicene creed containing the filoque.


55 posted on 07/09/2006 10:46:38 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant
The full Nicene creed containing the filoque.

On it's face, I don't see anything unbiblical about it. But it's not inspired literature and the problem with using it as the basis of faith, since it's not inspired, is that it can be interpreted however one likes.

56 posted on 07/09/2006 12:00:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You wrote: "...it can be interpreted however one likes."

Isn't that exactly how you Protestants treat the Bible? Get ten Protestants in a room, give them one verse and you'll get eleven interpretations!

Can infants be baptized?

Bible only Presbyterians say yes.
Bible only Lutherans say yes.
Bible only baptists say no.

Make up your mind! How you Protestants can say that the creed can be interpretated every which way and ignore the fact that you Protestants do that with inspired scripture every day is beyond me. Hypocrisy.


57 posted on 07/09/2006 12:50:51 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
"...it can be interpreted however one likes." Isn't that exactly how you Protestants treat the Bible?

I'm not a Protestant. It's not my belief that the church that Christ built is synonomous with the Catholic church and therefore I don't consider myself as belonging to any group that split off in protest against Rome.

Get ten Protestants in a room, give them one verse and you'll get eleven interpretations!
Can infants be baptized?
Bible only Presbyterians say yes. Bible only Lutherans say yes. Bible only baptists say no.
Make up your mind! How you Protestants can say that the creed can be interpretated every which way and ignore the fact that you Protestants do that with inspired scripture every day is beyond me. Hypocrisy.

I would actually agree with your assesment of protestantism for the most part. Protestantism is often built upon tradition and the opinions of men. Just look at the example of the Episcopal Church.

Correct interpretion only comes through prayer, listening, and obeying the holy spirit. Sometimes this goes against what is popular and sometimes it means going against tradition and culture.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

58 posted on 07/09/2006 1:12:40 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: vladimir998
XS>You wrote: "Would you not consider the introduction of Easter in place of Passover or the introduction of Christmas as Paganism?"

v998> No, since that isn't what happened. As anyone, who has ever actually studied Church history knows, Christmas, for instance, was set at the date it was to combat paganism not become it. Don't believe me? Read Manfred Claus THE ROMAN CULT OF MITHRAS where he quotes an early Christian author who gives ample evidence of exactly that.

XS> "The Traditions of man replacing the Holy Word of G-d."

v998> No, just your silly assertions without evidence.

XS> "The sabbath as outlined in the Holy Word of G-d in Leviticus 23 is replaced by man's tradition of Sunday, the day to worship the Sun god as directed by Constantine."

v998> Oh, please learn some history! The Church began worshipping on Sundays LONG BEFORE CONSTANTINE WAS EVEN BORN. Even other anti-Catholics get this right: http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qworshipsunday.html

Look, you're just embarrassing yourself here. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OR NOT?

37 posted on 07/08/2006 9:46:58 PM MDT by vladimir998

Did Y'shua celebrate Easter ?
Of cause not. It is a Pagan feast.

Did Y'shua celebrate Passover ?
of cause He did ; He commanded it.( Leviticus 23:5)

Matthew 26:17 Now on the first {day} of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

Matthew 26:18 And He said

, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him,
'The Teacher says, "My time is near; I {am to} keep the Passover at your house with My disciples.'""

Matthew 26:19 The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.

Matthew 26:20 Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining {at the table} with the twelve disciples.

....

Matthew 26:26 While they were eating, Jesus took {some} bread, and after a blessing, He broke {it} and gave {it} to the disciples, and said,
"Take, eat; this is My body."

Matthew 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave {it} to them, saying,
"Drink from it, all of you;

Matthew 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

Matthew 26:30 After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

During the celebration of His last Passover Seder,
Y'shua and His disciples were eating the roasted lamb
( a metaphor for the Lamb of G-d; see Genesis 22:8)
as described in Leviticus 23

Hebrew tradition states the the Messiah will be revealed
at Passover after he has been announced by Elijah,
many believe that John the Immerser
was the archetype of Elijah announcing to the world
"Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

After Y'shua made a blessing, He broke the matzo saying
"Take eat this is my body"

Y'shua then took the third cup of the fruit of the vine
which is the cup of redemption in the Hill-el Passover Haggadah
He made a blessing and gave it to his disciples and said
"Drink from it, all of you

As they left to go to the Mount of Olives
were singing the Hill-al psalms sung at
the end of the Passover Seder ( Psalms 114- 118 )

In Luke 22:19, Y'shua says:

"This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
What is your understanding of Y'shua commanding us to "do this in remembrance of Me"?

Was it not to celebrate one of His commanded Feasts i.e. Passover?

Or have you superseded the Holy Word of G-d with a Tradition of man?

b'shem Y'shua

59 posted on 07/09/2006 1:44:14 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Isaiah 26:4 Trust in YHvH forever, because YHvH is the Rock eternal.)
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To: DouglasKC

You wrote:

"I'm not a Protestant. It's not my belief that the church that Christ built is synonomous with the Catholic church and therefore I don't consider myself as belonging to any group that split off in protest against Rome."

You're a Protestant if you believe in sola scriptura or sola fide. You definitely believe in sola scriptura. You are, therefore, a Protestant. You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with this reality. It is a reality nonetheless. It doesn't surprise me that a Protestant would try to play the nominalism game. Sorry, it won't work.

"I would actually agree with your assesment of protestantism for the most part. Protestantism is often built upon tradition and the opinions of men. Just look at the example of the Episcopal Church."

Yes, THE PROTESTANT EPISCOPAL CHURCH. The word PROTESTANT was actually part of its name when it was founded in the USA after the American Revolution.

"Correct interpretion only comes through prayer, listening, and obeying the holy spirit. Sometimes this goes against what is popular and sometimes it means going against tradition and culture."

There are literally millions of Protestants who do what you mentioned to the best of their ability with God's grace and they still contradict one another. The Church was founded as an authoritative teacher.


60 posted on 07/09/2006 1:54:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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