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XS>You wrote: "Would you not consider the introduction of Easter in place of Passover or the introduction of Christmas as Paganism?"

v998> No, since that isn't what happened. As anyone, who has ever actually studied Church history knows, Christmas, for instance, was set at the date it was to combat paganism not become it. Don't believe me? Read Manfred Claus THE ROMAN CULT OF MITHRAS where he quotes an early Christian author who gives ample evidence of exactly that.

XS> "The Traditions of man replacing the Holy Word of G-d."

v998> No, just your silly assertions without evidence.

XS> "The sabbath as outlined in the Holy Word of G-d in Leviticus 23 is replaced by man's tradition of Sunday, the day to worship the Sun god as directed by Constantine."

v998> Oh, please learn some history! The Church began worshipping on Sundays LONG BEFORE CONSTANTINE WAS EVEN BORN. Even other anti-Catholics get this right: http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qworshipsunday.html

Look, you're just embarrassing yourself here. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OR NOT?

37 posted on 07/08/2006 9:46:58 PM MDT by vladimir998

Did Y'shua celebrate Easter ?
Of cause not. It is a Pagan feast.

Did Y'shua celebrate Passover ?
of cause He did ; He commanded it.( Leviticus 23:5)

Matthew 26:17 Now on the first {day} of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

Matthew 26:18 And He said

, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him,
'The Teacher says, "My time is near; I {am to} keep the Passover at your house with My disciples.'""

Matthew 26:19 The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.

Matthew 26:20 Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining {at the table} with the twelve disciples.

....

Matthew 26:26 While they were eating, Jesus took {some} bread, and after a blessing, He broke {it} and gave {it} to the disciples, and said,
"Take, eat; this is My body."

Matthew 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave {it} to them, saying,
"Drink from it, all of you;

Matthew 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

Matthew 26:30 After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

During the celebration of His last Passover Seder,
Y'shua and His disciples were eating the roasted lamb
( a metaphor for the Lamb of G-d; see Genesis 22:8)
as described in Leviticus 23

Hebrew tradition states the the Messiah will be revealed
at Passover after he has been announced by Elijah,
many believe that John the Immerser
was the archetype of Elijah announcing to the world
"Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

After Y'shua made a blessing, He broke the matzo saying
"Take eat this is my body"

Y'shua then took the third cup of the fruit of the vine
which is the cup of redemption in the Hill-el Passover Haggadah
He made a blessing and gave it to his disciples and said
"Drink from it, all of you

As they left to go to the Mount of Olives
were singing the Hill-al psalms sung at
the end of the Passover Seder ( Psalms 114- 118 )

In Luke 22:19, Y'shua says:

"This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
What is your understanding of Y'shua commanding us to "do this in remembrance of Me"?

Was it not to celebrate one of His commanded Feasts i.e. Passover?

Or have you superseded the Holy Word of G-d with a Tradition of man?

b'shem Y'shua

59 posted on 07/09/2006 1:44:14 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Isaiah 26:4 Trust in YHvH forever, because YHvH is the Rock eternal.)
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To: XeniaSt

You wrote: "Did Y'shua celebrate Easter ?"

Yes, He did. Jesus most certainly celebrated His resurrection. Easter is not a pagan holiday for Christians anymore than pants are a pagan thing because no self-respecting Jew ever wore them in the ancient world and only pagans did. Even the PROTESTANT translators of the KJV knew this and used the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4.

"Of cause not. It is a Pagan feast.
Did Y'shua celebrate Passover ?
of cause He did ; He commanded it.( Leviticus 23:5)"

But we are Christians and no Christ denying Jew would celebrate the resurrection of Christ. We celebrate Christ's resurrection. In English and German speaking countries that day is called Easter. It is a happenstance of language. If we lived in France or Poland or Russia and called it the Pacha you would have no argument at all. You are dependent upon the long forgotten import of a word that no one uses in the way you assume. You argument is laughable.

"Was it not to celebrate one of His commanded Feasts i.e. Passover?"

No. The Eucharist is not part of Passover. Don't believe me? Ask a Jew: "Do you pass out bread and wine and call it Christ's body and blood?"

"Or have you superseded the Holy Word of G-d with a Tradition of man?"

No. I just am not a foolish Judaizer who has forgotten that you were defeated by Christ's Church in the time of the Apostles. I am an orthodox Christian. You're just a wannabe.


61 posted on 07/09/2006 2:02:26 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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