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Mary a Meeting Point of Cultures, Says Muslim - Encourages Pilgrimages to Marian Shrines
Zenit News Agency ^ | June 29, 2006

Posted on 06/29/2006 5:36:14 PM PDT by NYer

ROME, JUNE 29, 2006 (Zenit.org).- An Egyptian Muslim and deputy director of a prominent Italian newspaper suggested that Mary could be the figure who brings Christians and Muslims together.

Magdi Allam of Il Corriere della Sera spoke to ZENIT about the appeal he launched in the pages of the national daily newspaper to Muslims living in Italy to visit the Marian shrines in their host country.

The journalist said that he is convinced that the Virgin Mary is a meeting point between Christians and Muslims.

"Mary is a figure present in the Koran, which dedicates an entire sura [chapter ed.n.] to her and mentions her some thirty times. In Muslim countries there are Marian shrines that are the object of veneration and pilgrimage by Christian and Muslim faithful," he said.

"Therefore, I believe that if this happens in Muslim countries, why can't it happen in a Christian country, especially in a historical phase in which we need to define symbols, values and figures that unite religions, spiritualities and cultures?" he asked.

In Allam's opinion, "the Marian pilgrimage of Loreto -- Italy's National Shrine -- could represent a moment of meeting and spiritual gathering between Muslims and Catholics, around Mary, a religious figure that is venerated by both religions."

Vittorio Messori, author of book-interviews with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), also wrote in Il Corriere della Sera on June 15 in support of Allam.

He said that the dialogue between Christians and Muslims "can begin afresh from Mary."


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Islam; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology; Worship
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To: Pyro7480
Oh, so cause your Catholic you do not understand sin?
Try reading the Bible- look up the verse about the scales falling from their eyes.
Christians understand all too well why sinners sin- it is after all what Grace is about- and those who "get it" are acutely aware of the pain and destruction wrought by the Enemy.
161 posted on 06/30/2006 12:01:10 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: nmh

Thanks for the link.

Great Post!

God Bless


162 posted on 06/30/2006 12:08:45 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: Bainbridge

I absolutely agree with you there. Allah certainly is not our God, the God of Abraham, but a made up moon-deity. I don't know how Muslims have a special place for Christ's mother, yet only view him as "a prophet of peace", and find it acceptable to kill his followers. They are the enemy of all.


163 posted on 06/30/2006 12:10:07 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Pyro7480; Bainbridge

I was kind of confusing hell and purgatory. I don't have any resources here at work to back me up, so I have to do it off the cuff. That, and I am only 21 and don't have any kind of real Catholic education, only what I have time to read on the side from time to time. It is not a fault of the Catholic Church, but of my own ignorance of it's teaching.


164 posted on 06/30/2006 12:13:41 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: nmh

I have a nephew that died at birth. What was his sin?


165 posted on 06/30/2006 12:18:05 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: Nihil Obstat

mark


166 posted on 06/30/2006 12:22:16 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Terabitten
"Mary is most definitely the physical mother of the physical man Jesus, but is most definitely NOT the mother of His spiritual nature."
______________________________

Amen!

A great deal of this thinking about Mary is based on extra biblical sources, which should give anyone pause.
167 posted on 06/30/2006 12:28:54 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: NYer
A comment as to the article itself (imagine that in this thread): I pray for the conversion of the followers of Islam and their acceptance of Christ as son of God. I think we will only see peace when that happens. If their veneration of Mary as the most exalted woman in history is what starts their journey down that path, then that is wonderful. The symbolic links to Fatima give me hope that it may come true since I do not believe that with God there are such things as "coincidences."

As to the many comments on this thread, I merely shake my head. Whenever a thread mentions Mary it opens the door for the old tired "idolaters" charge against Catholics. I feel comfortable in my faith that I believe salvation comes through Christ, but also that He holds a special place in His heart for His mother so we should too.

168 posted on 06/30/2006 12:45:06 PM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: wmfights
"Mary is most definitely the physical mother of the physical man Jesus, but is most definitely NOT the mother of His spiritual nature."

But if our omnipotent Lord willed it to be as such, what is the problem? Christ was obedient to his mother, such as at the wedding feast at Caana. There's also the 4th commandment, obey thy father and mother. What about in John's gospel, "When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple there whom He loved, he said to His mother, "Woman, behold your son." Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother". And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.(Jn 19:336-37)

Why would our God say and do these things if it were not for his greater plan? Yahweh is unknowable. His plan is a mystery of faith, and indeed he works in mysterious ways. Here, I see Christ, and therefore God, clearly elevating his earthly, physical mother into his spiritual mother. How can we, his followers, claim to accept his teaching and believe in him, yet reject parts of what he wants? That is hypocrisy to me, and I don't understand why so many Christians here are always posting against Mary.

No one is forcing you to pray to her, because God gave you free will, but why you must go and tell others that have been praying to her for hundreds upon hundreds of years before your churches and theological views were formed is wrong is beyond me. Don't worry about us, and we won't worry about you, and we will someday meet in heaven, and avoid unpleasant future conflicts.

169 posted on 06/30/2006 12:48:54 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Armando Guerra

You are right.


170 posted on 06/30/2006 12:51:15 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Bainbridge

I know it's sin, but that doesn't mean I have the means of looking into its abyss.


171 posted on 06/30/2006 12:57:45 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Bainbridge
I get the feeling that you are just satisfying your self when you post.

You are quite presumptuous.

173 posted on 06/30/2006 1:19:46 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Theoden
Do not blame that on yourself.
It is easy to confuse the two- as the whole doctrine of Purgatory is rather confusing.
God Bless your sincerity.
174 posted on 06/30/2006 1:19:53 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge
The bizarre and tortuous explanations and responses are the antithesis to the direct uncomplicated message of the One True God.

If it is so "uncomplicated," then why are there thousands of denominations?

175 posted on 06/30/2006 1:21:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Armando Guerra
I have followed this entire thread can you show me the charge of idolatry?
176 posted on 06/30/2006 1:21:39 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Pyro7480

What am I presuming?


177 posted on 06/30/2006 1:23:59 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

I mean the other definition.


178 posted on 06/30/2006 1:25:58 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Bainbridge

Thanks.

I'm about to leave work, so have a good 4th.

Theoden


179 posted on 06/30/2006 1:28:25 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Pyro7480
There are parts of your rant where "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" can quite properly be invoked.

::sigh::

I am trying my best, however futilely, to try to get you tu understand the difficulty Fundamentalist Protestants have with Catholicism/Orthodoxy. All you hear from them are proof texts, so you've come to believe that there can't possibly be any intellectual difficulties with Catholicism's position vis a vis Fundamentalist Protestantism. I'm trying to show you these difficulties. But all you can do is respond with anger, as you almost always do.

I am beginning to suspect you of dishonesty. Is it "false witness" to point out that Biblial inerrancy isn't as important to Catholics as it is conservative Protestants? Is it? That is nothing but plain, obvious truth and everyone knows it. It's no secret that Catholic FReepers do "yeoman service" in de-literalizing and allegorizing the Bible. You could not possibly deny this. Why, if I were to ask you if you believe in Adam and Eve the chances are 90% likely that you'd say "no." And all you can do is hurl a bitter charge against me without even commenting on it?

You could not possibly be unaware of all the anti-literalist Catholic posts on this forum. What is the point with trying to discuss something with a dishonest person?

I'm sure you'd like to believe that the only possible reason to prefer the Protestant to the Catholic position is an extremely low IQ, but this is not the truth however much you'd like to think so.

Why don't you respond to me for a change? How in the world is name-calling alone proving that my points are not valid?

180 posted on 06/30/2006 1:32:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Pray for the defeat of Napoleon!)
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