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To: wmfights
"Mary is most definitely the physical mother of the physical man Jesus, but is most definitely NOT the mother of His spiritual nature."

But if our omnipotent Lord willed it to be as such, what is the problem? Christ was obedient to his mother, such as at the wedding feast at Caana. There's also the 4th commandment, obey thy father and mother. What about in John's gospel, "When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple there whom He loved, he said to His mother, "Woman, behold your son." Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother". And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.(Jn 19:336-37)

Why would our God say and do these things if it were not for his greater plan? Yahweh is unknowable. His plan is a mystery of faith, and indeed he works in mysterious ways. Here, I see Christ, and therefore God, clearly elevating his earthly, physical mother into his spiritual mother. How can we, his followers, claim to accept his teaching and believe in him, yet reject parts of what he wants? That is hypocrisy to me, and I don't understand why so many Christians here are always posting against Mary.

No one is forcing you to pray to her, because God gave you free will, but why you must go and tell others that have been praying to her for hundreds upon hundreds of years before your churches and theological views were formed is wrong is beyond me. Don't worry about us, and we won't worry about you, and we will someday meet in heaven, and avoid unpleasant future conflicts.

169 posted on 06/30/2006 12:48:54 PM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Theoden
"No one is forcing you to pray to her, because God gave you free will, but why you must go and tell others that have been praying to her for hundreds upon hundreds of years before your churches and theological views were formed is wrong is beyond me."
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If you actually bothered to read what was posted you wouldn't run off on the tangents you seem so happy too.

My only comment was that most of your doctrine on Mary is based on non SCRIPTURAL sources and as such is not reliable. If you want to continue pontificating that's fine, but it has no basis in the conversation.
204 posted on 06/30/2006 2:52:43 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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