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Mary a Meeting Point of Cultures, Says Muslim - Encourages Pilgrimages to Marian Shrines
Zenit News Agency ^ | June 29, 2006

Posted on 06/29/2006 5:36:14 PM PDT by NYer

ROME, JUNE 29, 2006 (Zenit.org).- An Egyptian Muslim and deputy director of a prominent Italian newspaper suggested that Mary could be the figure who brings Christians and Muslims together.

Magdi Allam of Il Corriere della Sera spoke to ZENIT about the appeal he launched in the pages of the national daily newspaper to Muslims living in Italy to visit the Marian shrines in their host country.

The journalist said that he is convinced that the Virgin Mary is a meeting point between Christians and Muslims.

"Mary is a figure present in the Koran, which dedicates an entire sura [chapter ed.n.] to her and mentions her some thirty times. In Muslim countries there are Marian shrines that are the object of veneration and pilgrimage by Christian and Muslim faithful," he said.

"Therefore, I believe that if this happens in Muslim countries, why can't it happen in a Christian country, especially in a historical phase in which we need to define symbols, values and figures that unite religions, spiritualities and cultures?" he asked.

In Allam's opinion, "the Marian pilgrimage of Loreto -- Italy's National Shrine -- could represent a moment of meeting and spiritual gathering between Muslims and Catholics, around Mary, a religious figure that is venerated by both religions."

Vittorio Messori, author of book-interviews with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), also wrote in Il Corriere della Sera on June 15 in support of Allam.

He said that the dialogue between Christians and Muslims "can begin afresh from Mary."


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Islam; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: bvm; devotion; marian; mary; motherofgod; virginmary
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To: Theoden

Do you folks ever pray directly to God, or is it required that you go thru Mary or other Saints???


121 posted on 06/30/2006 10:24:43 AM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

There are parts of your rant where "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" can quite properly be invoked.


122 posted on 06/30/2006 10:25:54 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: NYer
Heheheh....

Adam and Eve, before the fall, were free from sin

IOW, Adam and Eve were sinless before they sinned. How... Kerryesque.

The angels in heaven are not gods, but they were created sinless and have remained so ever since.

Except for the ones who sinned and were cast out of Heaven. Grace has never been an option for angels, so bringing them up as "sinless" is kinda beside the point.

The saints in heaven are not gods, although each of them is now completely sinless (Rev. 14:5; 21:27).So they sinned before but don't sin anymore... they were still sinners.

123 posted on 06/30/2006 10:25:59 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Terabitten

See #118.


124 posted on 06/30/2006 10:26:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Bainbridge
Where in the Bible does it say" Mother of God" ?

If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.

125 posted on 06/30/2006 10:27:22 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: cammie

Jack Chick is where some of these folks learned it.


126 posted on 06/30/2006 10:29:29 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: RobbyS

Coldness still isn't hate. That is a very powerful term to be used. Chesterton must have had some kind of experience to lead him to a statement like that.


127 posted on 06/30/2006 10:31:57 AM PDT by Upbeat
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Thank you for one of the most thoughtful and intellectually honest posts I've ever seen on Free Republic.


128 posted on 06/30/2006 10:33:04 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Iscool
Do you folks ever pray directly to God,

Here is a LINK to the entire text of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, according to the Rite of Pope Paul VI. This is the Mass offered in the overwhelming majority of Catholic Churches worldwide.

It is a prayer, the highest for of prayer. To whom is it directed?

129 posted on 06/30/2006 10:34:01 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"There is only one Saviour and He saves from sin. Mary acknowledged her sin and her need of a Saviour."

"Amen. Scripture is so clear on this topic it seems self-evident."

But not true.

Mary was born without original sin: the Immaculate Conception.

At the Annunciation; the angel Gabriel to Mary: "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!" Luke 1:28

Grace is a supernatural gift of God given to men for their eternal salvation, and given to Mary prior to the birth of our Lord and Savior.
130 posted on 06/30/2006 10:35:59 AM PDT by dollars_for_dogma
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To: Iscool
Here is a LINK to the text of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass according to the rite of Pope. St. Pius V. This is the Mass as it was offered for centuries in the West, and still offered in this manner today in a handful of places. It too is a prayer, the highest form of prayer. To whom is it directed?
131 posted on 06/30/2006 10:36:12 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

Was I personally attacking anyone? If so, I sincerely ask for their forgiveness, because such was absolutely not my intent. I simply disagreed with the argument being presented.


132 posted on 06/30/2006 10:36:32 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Bainbridge
>>>>>Where in the Bible does it say" Mother of God" ?

Where in the Bible does it say that the entirety of Christian belief is contained in the Bible?

And, if the entirety of Christian belief is contained in the Bible, how did the early Christians know what to believe, before the New Testament was written?

133 posted on 06/30/2006 10:41:10 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: All
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal!

This is not a Church-like thread, so challenges are allowed. Therefore, defend your confession on thread and not by pressing the abuse report!

Refer to my profile page for guidelines on posting to the Religion Forum.

134 posted on 06/30/2006 10:41:58 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Theoden

Thanks for your response. I was generally aware of his religious background and your theory makes sense.


135 posted on 06/30/2006 10:43:30 AM PDT by Upbeat
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To: NYer
If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.I must again respectfully disagree.

God is a spiritual being, without beginning and without end. For God to have a "mother" would imply that the mother existed before God, which is clearly not Biblical.

Mary is most definitely the physical mother of the physical man Jesus, but is most definitely NOT the mother of His spiritual nature.

136 posted on 06/30/2006 10:46:02 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Upbeat

Frost: Some saythwe world will end in fire, some say in ice. From what I have tasted of desire, I favor those who favor fire, but I know enough of hate to say that ice would suffice.

There is a general lack of affection among Protestants for the mother of Our Lord. I call that hate.


139 posted on 06/30/2006 10:51:19 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
DANGIT, y'all! Can you see none of this???

Absolutely and thank you for reminding us all of how complicated our responses oftentimes become. Certain doctrines, especially those that relate to Mary, are based on symbolism because these symbols were so evident to the Jews for whom the gospels were written.

140 posted on 06/30/2006 10:51:50 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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