Posted on 06/03/2006 9:22:46 AM PDT by bornacatholic
... two of three of his children "
That should have read two of his four children and a neighbor girl who was there on sleep over with Angie's daughter. (The oldest of the children).
"....too many Presbyterian clergy and leaders have begun to believe that Israelis are....the kind of people who would “indiscriminate(ly) shoot… children and adults.”"
"...Too many Church publications slide easily into the casual demonization of Israeli Jews...."
...questions remain about why a Presbyterian magazine published such a hate-filled poem, and why Presbyterians officials and clergy continue not only to use the language of demonization when speaking about Israel, but to publish false accusations against Israeli Jews
All the "Presbyterians" named in the article belong to a single denomination (PC-USA, a denomination held to be all-but-apostate by other Presbyterians, and one rapidly declining in membership). The writer does a huge disservice to Presbyterianism, and Protestantism as a whole - I might even go so far as to call it a false accusation - by failing to mention this.
Pings out to two of my Presbyterian friends....
BWA HAHAHAHA
I could only laugh harder if it weren't true!
There are liberals in all denominations, but none holds a candle to the left wing of the church in Rome.
They had to.....or be recognized as anti semitic. The PLO had already recognized Israel by this time and to linger on with their historic policy would be a total embarrassment.
The Church had always fancied themselves as the "New Israel" and this is the reason they delayed the inevitable. They were between the proverbial rock and a "sore" spot!
As far as the Presbyterian organization in general, I'm not really in a position to judge what's going on there, but here in Rochester, the downtown Presbyterian Church or the little excommunicated ex-Catholic Church ensconced in one of it's corners, has a woman on the Cross, I'm told.
The Church is right across the street from where I work, so I could easily go in and check it out for myself, I just can't bring myself to do it, it all seems so dank.
Anyway, the OPC is a fine organization, responsible, transparent, and really orthodox. The membership bleeding the PCUSA is apprently suffering is really too bad, it's like the death of giant.
You should see the Presbyterian Church in the town I grew up in, it's unbelievable, and a Landmark. It's steeple is so high it seems to touch the Heavens, bearing a Cross on the very top, which one can faintly discern. The Church is all burnished sandstone; a deep burgundy with flecks of terra cotta peeping through here and there. One circular but grand stained glass window symbolizing the eight Beatitudes. It's marvelous, the superior of all the Churches in the area which was built in the latter half of the 19th century.
However, one day when I was home and taking a walk past the Church, I noticed its sign read "Every day we Choose who we Serve." I've never attended Service there, so I can't speak to the intellectual disposition of the Pastor, but that sign seemed out of sync with my understanding of what Presbyterianism is, or at least was about.
Anyway, here's a site that's a little like Scrappleface (I think?) that recently touched on the subject..
I am thankful God led me out of that "church."
This is the denomination which is the largest and which is the one thought of by most others when the word "Presbyterian" is used.
It is also the branch which my church is part of and the vile leaders of which are leading into destruction.
Al Queda is only slightly more evil than this leadership which is wrong about almost every major issue facing mankind.
But a very dim possibility if Catholic doctrine is accurate and true, you must admit.
On another thread, we Protestants were told that attendance at a Protestant Church is not an option or a substitute, that one should never partake in Protestant sacraments, if what the Catholic Church teaches about the sacraments is true. That was one Catholic's profession, anyway. As I understand Catholic doctrine, it's the reception of a "valid" Eucharist on a regular basis that provides a quantity to "infused grace" to be given to the beeliever, the cumulative effect being the sanctification of the believer. Since a Protestant communion table is deemed "invalid", sanctification will never occur, and the Protestant, if he is saved at all, will have to undergo a much longer period of time in Purgatory, to be purged of the effects of sin, than the Catholic will. Do I understand all this right?
Historically, are there any Protestants or other non-Catholics whom the Roman Catholic Churches believes were actually granted this "possible" salvation, or are we talking about an event rarer than matching all six numbers in PowerBall?
One can appreciate the angst suffered by the PCA, OPC, EPC, ARPC, or BPC church members when writers use the generic "presbyterian church" in their commentaries.
That being said, Appelbaum did include the following in her commentary. Those who previously posted their complaints about the use of the generic "presbyterian" have unfairly attacked the author. Anyone who read beyond the headline would know it is the PCUSA.
"Presbyterian Peacemaking Program"----those in the other presbyterian denominations know that they do not have such a program.
"Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick, Stated Clerk of the PCUSA"--- makes Appelbaum's comments pretty specific.
"That the leader of the Presbyterian Church USA would use, in describing Israelis"--- again pretty specific language.
"As PCUSA missionary and missionary-in-residence at Louisville Marthame Sanders put it" --again specific.
"address a national meeting of the Presbyterian Church, USA." --- more specificity.
" Dr. Fahed Abu Ekel, who was elected Moderator by the Church in 2002"---known as a pcusa moderator.
"Robert H. Stone, retired professor of Christian ethics at the Presbytreian Pittsburgh Theological Seminary"---known to be a pcusa seminary.
"in the words of Sarah Lisherness, Coordinator Presbyterian Peacemaking Program, unlike those emotional Jews,"---known to be a pcusa program.
"PCUSA has avoided serious engagement with American Jews"--very specific here.
"Christopher Doyle, PCUSA missionary, Bethlehem; Hala Doyle, PCUSA missionary"---clear that it pcusa.
"Ms. Elizabeth Sanders, PCUSA mission worker"
"Presbyterian News Service. Rev. Alexa Smith, reporting**"--a known PCUSA institution.
Presbyterians not employed by the national PCUSA
Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, PCUSA.
Deserves repeating, thanks!
I guess you really believe this.
I guess I don't know what you're talking about.
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