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JOHN MACARTHUR AND THE BLOOD OF CHRIST?
Plains Baptist Challenger ^ | unknown | E.L. Bynum, others

Posted on 05/21/2006 2:04:31 PM PDT by Full Court

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To: Full Court
Actually, I started reading the article in regard to the Blood of Christ. I find it interesting that the discussion has migrated this far.

Regarding blood in the Scriptures, as soon as Adam and Eve sinned, God shed blood in the Garden to clothe them.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

381 posted on 05/25/2006 8:23:28 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: blue-duncan

Glenn Beck ran a poll. 80% said they'd sacrifice everyone at CTU if Kim got killed off...


382 posted on 05/25/2006 8:26:24 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Full Court
..John MacArthur is one of the finest theologians in the world.

There should be no question concerning his position on historic Christian doctrine.

I guess this is the ecclesiastical version of a "hit piece"...

383 posted on 05/25/2006 8:26:52 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Corin Stormhands

"Glenn Beck ran a poll. 80% said they'd sacrifice everyone at CTU if Kim got killed off..."

Aaah, now I can go to sleep knowing the world is not crazy. There is order in the universe. "Shoot the daughter!"


384 posted on 05/25/2006 8:46:10 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Of course you do realize you're going to have to wait until at least December to get Season 5 on DVD...


385 posted on 05/25/2006 8:47:06 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Full Court; DaveMSmith; P-Marlowe

Posts from jesus-is-lord.com are not acceptable. It is listed as a hate (anti-Catholic) website.


386 posted on 05/25/2006 10:01:42 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Full Court; DaveMSmith; xzins; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands
Posts from jesus-is-lord.com are not acceptable. It is listed as a hate (anti-Catholic) website.

But they are an equal opporunity hate site. Frankly I was disappointed to see that my church was not listed as being heretical there, but I'm sure there's something to offend everyone there.

They even have a page dedicated to that evil of all evils, POKEMON!

387 posted on 05/25/2006 10:10:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: gbcdoj

What I was referring was the comment about his foreskin, a vulgar and preposterous claim.

As for whether the smallest injury would have sufficed, I think the point of that is that infinity times a small number is the same as infinity times a huge number; and division of infinity would still be sufficient to accomplish God's plan. But Jesus went beyond "the barest minimum" to an unimaginable extent so that the love between Him and His church could be all that much more experienced by His church (and probably a zajillion other theological reasons that don't come to me at 2 AM)


388 posted on 05/25/2006 11:00:28 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Full Court
Are pianos and organs in the Bible?

Besides, on second thought Hymns are heretical.

We should sing from the Psalter, that is what Christ sang.

389 posted on 05/26/2006 1:30:00 AM PDT by Gamecock ("False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel." Machen predicting Osteen)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ich lesse mein Luther Bibel gern.


390 posted on 05/26/2006 2:19:55 AM PDT by Gamecock ("False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel." Machen predicting Osteen)
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To: Full Court

Basketball has this rare ability to blow out female knees at a rate far surpassing that of males.

I wonder why?


391 posted on 05/26/2006 3:05:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Indeed, as you all know the KJV is the official Holy Writ for the Fraternal Order of the Knights of the Eternal Time Table. FTD has been appointed Lord Protector and Keeper of the Holy Writ.

Amen.

Every word of God is pure (Pr.30:5)

392 posted on 05/26/2006 6:16:39 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: xzins
I am definitely not a KJVO kind of guy, so it is appropriate for a pastor to draw out a better understanding from the greek than to be tied slavishly to a translation which allows for nuance. I do have regard for true KJVO folks, though, like ftD who consider it a God-appointed text for the English peoples.

Amen, thank you.

There is, of course, no proof for that other than logic. Therefore, the authority question cuts many ways.

I think the fruit that the translation bears (like the believer) is what shows God's working through it.

393 posted on 05/26/2006 6:26:05 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration

But, you can never prove such a thing. It's only opinion.

I have respect for the opinion, but it's not an argument that can be relied on in a discussion.


394 posted on 05/26/2006 6:28:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; Full Court
But, you can never prove such a thing. It's only opinion. I have respect for the opinion, but it's not an argument that can be relied on in a discussion.

The Fruit that the Textus Receptus translated Bibles bore is historical evidence,that cannot be denied.

Luther's Translation of the Bible The richest fruit of Luther's leisure in the Wartburg, and the most important and useful work of his whole life, is the translation of the New Testament, by which he brought the teaching and example of Christ and the Apostles to the mind and heart of the Germans in life-like reproduction. It was a republication of the gospel. He made the Bible the people's book in church, school, and house. If he had done nothing else, he would be one of the greatest benefactors of the German-speaking race. (emphasis added) (1)

His version was followed by Protestant versions in other languages, especially the French, Dutch, and English. The Bible ceased to be a foreign book in a foreign tongue, and became naturalized, and hence far more clear and dear to the common people. Hereafter the Reformation depended no longer on the works of the Reformers, but on the book of God, which everybody could read for himself as his daily guide in spiritual life. This inestimable blessing of an open Bible for all, without the permission or intervention of pope and priest, marks an immense advance in church history, and can never be lost. (emphasis added)

The Success The German Bible of Luther was saluted with the greatest enthusiasm, and became the most powerful help to the Reformation. (emphasis added) Duke George of Saxony, Duke William of Bavaria, and Archduke Ferdinand of Austria strictly prohibited the sale in their dominions, but could not stay the current. Hans Lufft at Wittenberg printed and sold in forty years (between 1534 and 1574) about a hundred thousand copies,--an enormous number for that age,--and these were read by millions. The number of copies from reprints is beyond estimate.

Cochlaeus, the champion of Romanism, paid the translation the greatest compliment when he complained that "Luther's New Testament was so much multiplied and spread by printers that even tailors and shoemakers, yea, even women and ignorant persons who had accepted this new Lutheran gospel, and could read a little German, studied it with the greatest avidity as the fountain of all truth. Some committed it to memory, and carried it about in their bosom. In a few months such people deemed themselves so learned that they were not ashamed to dispute about faith and the gospel not only with Catholic laymen, but even with priests and monks and doctors of divinity." (16)

The Romanists were forced in self-defense to issue rival translations. Such were made by Emser (1527), Dietenberger (1534), and Eck (1537), and accompanied with annotations. They are more correct in a number of passages, but slavishly conformed to the Vulgate, stiff and heavy, and they frequently copy the very language of Luther, so that he could say with truth, "The Papists steal my German of which they knew little before, and they do not thank me for it, but rather use it against me." These versions have long since gone out of use even in the Roman Church, while Luther's still lives. (17) (emphasis given)

A Critical Estimate of Luther's Version Luther's version of the Bible is a wonderful monument of genius, learning, and piety, and may be regarded in a secondary sense as inspired. (emphasis added) It was, from beginning to end, a labor of love and enthusiasm. While publishers and printers made fortunes, Luther never received or asked a copper for this greatest work of his life. (21)

The English Version of 1611 had the great advantage of the labors of three generations of translators and revisers, and is therefore more accurate, and yet equally idiomatic. (emphasis given)

The Original Text

The basis for Luther's version of the Old Testament was the Massoretic text as published by Gerson Ben Mosheh at Brescia in 1494.... The basis for the New Testament was the second edition of Erasmus, published at Basel in Switzerland in 1519. (27) His first edition of the Greek Testament had appeared in 1516, just one year before the Reformation

http://www.bible-researcher.com/luther02.html

Some things should be noted.

One Luther did not make the translation for money (unlike modern versions).

Two, Luther used the correct Text, one that was 'alive'. Even Schaff who is a not a TR supporter, calls the translation 'inspired'.

Third, as proof of this 'life', Luther's Bible still lives (still the biggest seller), which shows that it (like the King James) has God's life in it (inspiration-2Tim.3:16)

Any objective investigation of the history of the Bible will show that where the correct text goes, the Bible is translated into the common language and receive it gladly.

Tyndales Bible spread like hotcakes throughout England, even though it was outlawed.

Even Henry the 8th's wife, Ann Boylin had a copy.

Which put her into more hot water with the King.

Please do not compare any 'new' bible with what Luther, Tyndale, the Geneva and the King James, the Valera 1602, did in launching revivals, missions and changing the culture of the nations they were produced in.

The facts are clear, God honors the Bible that honors Him.

395 posted on 05/26/2006 7:58:26 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; Full Court

I have long acknowledged that the great advantage of the TR is that it came about before modern text criticism, so it provides a counter-balance against any modern liberalist sentiments that may have crept into decisions made about other texts.

It's a good resource for that reason. In any case of glaring differences, one should think through the reasons why TR chose one direction and UBS/WH/etc. chose other directions.


396 posted on 05/26/2006 8:27:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: P-Marlowe
They even have a page dedicated to that evil of all evils, POKEMON!

Obviously, you've only scratched the surface. Pokemon is just a gateway show, luring our children in to even greater evils! Prepare yeself (that's a word, right?) for:


397 posted on 05/26/2006 8:32:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; All
Even Henry the 8th's wife

Precisely and who played Henry in A Man for All Season's, .....Robert Shaw!

398 posted on 05/26/2006 8:35:35 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: fortheDeclaration; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; Full Court
One Luther did not make the translation for money (unlike modern versions).

I have the "Modern King James Version" on e-sword. It's free. Does that make it kosher?

FWIW I do believe that the translators of the KJV were professional translators and were paid for their work.

I also suspect that those who printed the Bible did so for profit and that very few of the 1611 KJV's were given away for free. The Gideons came along about 278 years later.

The workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:10 KJV.

You may correct me if I am wrong.

399 posted on 05/26/2006 8:59:31 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe
One Luther did not make the translation for money (unlike modern versions). I have the "Modern King James Version" on e-sword. It's free. Does that make it kosher?

Is it copywrited?

Most translations of the 'bible' can found on line, but you cannot reproduce them in print (unlike a King James 1611)

FWIW I do believe that the translators of the KJV were professional translators and were paid for their work.

They were paid for the work that they did, but their goal was not to make money, but to make a work that glorified God.

I also suspect that those who printed the Bible did so for profit and that very few of the 1611 KJV's were given away for free. The Gideons came along about 278 years later.

The issue was not whether the printers made any money but the motivation of the translators.

Tyndale was hunted down like a criminal and killed for translating the correct text.

His goal was not monetary profit, but love of the truth.

The workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:10 KJV.

Yes, but the motivation should be the same in translating the Bible as it is in teaching the Bible, 'willingly, not for filthy lucre but of a ready mind' (1Pet.5:2)

400 posted on 05/26/2006 9:50:19 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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