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1 posted on 03/21/2006 7:47:55 AM PST by dukeman
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Most of the masses at my church have to have people standing in the back. We sit over 400 and all the pews are usually filled. We are currently saving up to build on.


2 posted on 03/21/2006 7:49:56 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: dukeman

I'm Methodist so attending church has about the same spiritual significance as watching American Idle these days.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 7:49:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: dukeman
Being "churched" or "unchurched" pertains to being religious more than to being spiritual. As the survey shows, it is possible to have a spiritual state of mind without attending church. And a spiritual state of mind leads to a spiritual path of living.

This is not to degrade being "churched". There are many very good things which come from that practice. But there are some negative aspects also - such as those who believe that their way is the only way and that everyone must be "saved" to their way of worship. Even if they have achieved perfection, their way may not be the only way to perfection.
4 posted on 03/21/2006 8:16:59 AM PST by Semper
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"Denominationally, the largest share of unchurched adults is made up of lapsed Catholics: almost three out of every ten unchurched people (29%) associate with Catholicism. One out of every five (18%) say they are Baptist."
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As a Baptist "Born Again" believer I understand some of this. Our services are typically 1 1/2 hrs or more and the church is aggressive about being "involved". The other stat that stuck out for me was 43% of the unchurched were single adults. It's tough to get up and go to church Sunday morning when your young and single and out late Saturday night. However, what I see are the young marrieds coming especially those with children.

BTW, 25% of our congregation is now former Roman Catholic's who when they started coming to church wanted "meat" not fluff.
8 posted on 03/21/2006 8:34:00 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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So basically I have to go to church? HA! Does that mean I have to tithe 10% of my income as well? NOT. I do not need a preacher, priest or father to intercede with God on my behalf. God and I have a mutual understanding and I don't need a Church to listen to Him. There are many reasons I no longer attend church and the foremost reason is the hypocrisy I have seen in many different churches and Christian sects. Nothing makes my stomach churn quite so much as watching holier than thou snobs look down their noses at some one who needs a hand up. Nope no thanks I will stay out of church and the political in fighting that goes on there. The bible tells us that we do not need a church to worship.
“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” I don't see anything about a church here.....
14 posted on 03/21/2006 9:21:51 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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Three items in the survey especially alarmed me. They are

64% contend that Satan is not a living being but is just a symbol of evil.

62% believe that a good person can earn eternal salvation.

51% believe that Jesus Christ sinned while He lived on earth.

I do not think it is a coincidence that the unchurched believe this. Awareness of the reality of evil and the existence of Satan remind Christians of the need for Jesus and our being part of His body. There is strength in numbers. In the words of John Donne " No man is an Island"
As for being able to earn salvation. If that is true what need than do we have for grace? Or the need to worship and praise God for the grace so freely given. If my Salvation is in my hands I sure do not need any community to support and sustain me in my walk with Christ.
If Jesus sinned, he sure as heck can not be God. Why go to church to worship someone who is just a good man. A superior moral teacher and loving friend yes. But God no.
I can worship my other heroes at home by myself. Why not this Jesus guy?
The Truth is that the we are meant to worship and praise God as a community. For we are called the Body of Christ for a reason.


15 posted on 03/21/2006 9:41:59 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: dukeman

Of all the thousands of verses in the Bible, not a single one reads, "Go to church."


20 posted on 03/21/2006 10:43:21 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Salvation; Maximilian; wideawake; ThomasMore; dangus; Pyro7480; NYer; sandyeggo; Marcellinus; ...
Denominationally, the largest share of unchurched adults is made up of lapsed Catholics: almost three out of every ten unchurched people (29%) associate with Catholicism.

29% of 34% is almost 10% of the US Population, or 30 million people.

This implies we've lost 33% of the total Catholic population, which should be in the 90-100 million range (to say nothing of another 50% of the Catholic population that rarely attends Mass). Think of the influence we Catholics should have were we really 100 million strong and united and faithful.

"And seeing the multitudes, he had compassion on them: because they were distressed, and lying like sheep that have no shepherd. Then he saith to his disciples, The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest." (St. Matthew 9.36-38)

"Do you not say, There are yet four months, and then the harvest cometh? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes, and see the countries; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth, and he that reapeth, may rejoice together." (St. John 4.35-36)

Ora et labora!

"We can speak only with a heavy heart of so few laborers for such a great harvest, for although there are many to hear the good news there are only a few to preach it." (St. Gregory the Great)

29 posted on 03/21/2006 12:43:50 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker (Meditate upon this slowly: I am asked for very little compared to how much I am being given.)
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35 posted on 03/21/2006 9:45:27 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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BTTT


39 posted on 03/22/2006 1:52:03 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: dukeman

I've known a few "born agains" who said that church is only for hypocrites.


40 posted on 03/22/2006 2:48:11 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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51 posted on 03/22/2006 7:44:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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..post-modern thinking
Man centered rather than God centered theology--
some of the sad elements which have crept into the 21st century church...
56 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:58 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: dukeman

I'm not surprised that a large number of that 'unchurched' group is young unmarried adults. Folks will sometimes drift away from attending church when they're in college, or if they've moved away from their families. When they start having kids, they start thinking again in terms of church and a solid moral foundation for them.


60 posted on 03/22/2006 11:16:12 AM PST by SuziQ
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