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Vatican Defrocks Boston Monsignor and 6 Priests
Yahoo News ^ | March 17, 2006

Posted on 03/18/2006 5:38:42 AM PST by NYer

A former vice chancellor of the Boston Archdiocese and six other priests accused of molesting children have been defrocked by the Vatican, church officials announced Friday.

In a statement, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley expressed his "deepest sorrow for the grievous harm" done by Monsignor Frederick Ryan and the other Boston priests.

"The violations of childhood innocence, under the guise of priestly care, are a source of profound shame," O'Malley said.

Ryan was one of the highest-ranking church officials to be accused of child molestation since the Boston sex scandal broke in 2002. He resigned that year after being accused of abusing two boys in the 1970s and '80s at a Boston high school.

The scandal led O'Malley's predecessor, Cardinal Bernard Law, to resign, and the archdiocese agreed to pay $85 million to settle lawsuits by about 550 alleged victims.

A state investigation found that about 1,000 people had been molested by dozens of priests over about five decades. Some of the priests were shuffled from parish to parish to try to conceal the allegations.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abusivepriests; boston; bxvi; defrock; defrocked; dismissallaicization; homosexualpriests; ma; omalley; ryan; sexabuse
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Tell you what, Sparky, the Roman Catholic Church does not recognize any divorce. I thought you would have known that...

I just read your comment to Mr. X and he's all on board with the idea! Goodnight.
41 posted on 03/18/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by ishabibble
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To: ishabibble

I've been reading your posts, with no small measure of fascination. I don't recall running into you before. Anyway, welcome to the religious threads.

I wanted to hone in on one thing you said: "My own parish is a very poor, inner city, falling down, school closed ,barely hanging on church. The priest who says the Latin Mass is young and enthusiastic. He is leaving very soon."

It reminds me a bit of my own eastern Catholic parish. Tiny. Certainly not wealthy at all when it comes to material splendor. But wealthy when it comes to spirituality. And I consider myself lucky to only have to travel 40 minutes to get there.

We all decide what's important to us. A part of the universal Catholic church, like the larger society that it exists in, has decided that the pretty buildings, the social stature, and the material things are very important.

Another part of the universal church has decided that those things aren't as important. These are often the small parishes or inner city parishes with the leaking roofs that are always just barely squeaking by economically.

To a certain extent, I think it's all about the priorities that parishioners set for themselves. There's a lot of complaining about apostasy and such, and how there are problems in the clergy. But none of this happened in a vacuum.


42 posted on 03/18/2006 7:25:02 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


43 posted on 03/18/2006 8:13:18 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies and their mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton started through executive order)
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To: NYer

Good they needed to be GONE!


44 posted on 03/18/2006 8:43:52 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ishabibble
Bernard Law is a criminal. He fled to the Vatican, and he needs to be extradited back to Boston to face charges.

Cardinal Law broke no laws. He left Boston so that Sean O'Malley could create a new atmosphere in the Diocese. The Attorney General of Massachusetts even announced in the press conference that the Cardinal had broken no laws, but made it clear that he wished he could put him in jail for something.

The Cardinal moved to Maryland, then when the Pope offered him the Parish in Rome, he took the opportunity. He didn't FLEE. He was free to go anywhere, and he simply moved on.

The Cardinal didn't molest any children, and most of the abuse took place long before he ever arrived in Boston. He was wrong in letting the priests stay in Parishes for as long as they did, and he admitted that. He was following the suggestions from the psychiatrists and counselors who said that the priests were 'cured'. I don't see anyone clamoring for any of the metal health professionals to be put in jail for their incorrect diagnoses.

45 posted on 03/18/2006 8:56:45 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ishabibble; NYer; conservative till I die; A.A. Cunningham; sitetest; kittymyrib

An article in the Christian Science Monitor says that in the Protestant churches most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church VOLUNTEERS."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html


46 posted on 03/18/2006 9:00:13 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta (There's always a reason to choose life.)
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To: ishabibble
First, I am not from Massachusetts. I simply keep a jaundiced eye on what goes on up there. The news is all bad.

No, it is NOT all bad. Of course, if you read the Boston Globe, you'd never know that, because it is all anti-Catholic Church all the time. The Globe NEVER liked Cardinal Law, and from the moment he arrived in Boston wrote negative stories about him. The paper once intimated that because he was from Mississippi, he was racist, and because of that, he allowed the closure of a Catholic Hospital in a minority area of town. The Globe DIDN'T mention that there was still going to be a medical clinic that would still handle minor cases, with the more major ones going to the newer site. What the Boston Globe ALSO didn't mention was the Cardinal's work for Civil Rights when he was Chancellor of the Diocese of Jackson, Mississippi. In fact, he was one of only a few white people to attend the funeral of Medgar Evers. Another other was Bishop Brunini.

I'm convinced that the Globe, in concert with others in the Boston area, started this campaign in order to reduce the influence of the Church in the area of homosexual marriage. It couldn't have been the fact that some of the priests might have abused children. The Globe had been lauding Father Paul Shanley for his work with homeless teenagers, and for his support of the NAMBLA chapter in Boston. They needed to reduce the Church's influence, because they knew that Supreme Judicial Court Chief Justice Margaret Marshall was about to issue the homosexual marriage edict, and they were priming the public to reject any argument against it by the Church. They knew this because the editors of the Boston Globe and the New York Times were part of the group planning this move by Marshall.

47 posted on 03/18/2006 9:34:57 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ishabibble
He fled to the Vatican, and he needs to be extradited back to Boston to face charges.

Charges need to be filed before he can face them. I guarantee you, the Boston law enforcement community won't ever file charges against him. Why? Because that would lead to discovery and a whole lot more dirty laundry will come out--some if it likely involving rampant homosexual abuse of young men and individuals outside the Church.

Those who wish to damage the Church are content just to fling accusations around without having to actually prove anything in court.
48 posted on 03/18/2006 10:06:35 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: ishabibble
I attended two "masses" at a very wealthy parish church in Naples, FL recently.

Florida is a hotbed of the Lavendar Mafia in the Catholic Church. They are winning there...for now.
49 posted on 03/18/2006 10:08:23 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: aimhigh
In other churches, the perverts were fired immediately, not shuffled to other churches.

Not even close to universally true. Heck, in the Episcopal Church, they make them bishops!
50 posted on 03/18/2006 10:10:19 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: ishabibble
Bernard Law was so bad at his job, so deceitful and false, that his part in the sex abuse scandal is greater than the acts of the individual homosexual/pedophiles. IMHO.

Law's actions were a small fraction of what Cardinal Mahoney is doing/has done in LA. And yet he's still there. Why do you suppose that is?

I'll tell you why. Because he's hand-in-glove with the Democrat party--as are many of the homo-promo bishops within the Catholic Church in America. They cover for each other.

It would be instructive for you to do a web search for Bishop Hubbard in Albany, Father Minkler, and Mary Jo White. Hubbard was accused of child sex abuse himself. Within days of the accusation, he called a priest, Fr. Minkler, in to the chancery. Minkler had previously written a secret letter to the now deceased Cardinal O'Connor in NYC chronicling the exploits of Hubbard and dozens of other alleged homosexual clerics in Albany. Minkler's intention was to blow the whistle. Unfortunately, news of the letter got out and nothing ever came of it for reasons unknown.

No one is sure exactly what passed between Hubbard and Minkler when he was called to the chancery, but people who spoke to Fr. Minkler afterwards claim that he said he was forced to sign an affidavit saying he didn't write the letter. No one can ask Minkler these days because the day after his meeting with Hubbard, he was found dead--an apparent suicide.

Of course, there was an uproar and people were calling for Hubbard's resignation. He didn't resign. Instead, he hired Mary Jo White (a Clinton crony who had previously investigated and exonerated paragon of virtue ex-Senator Robert Toricelli) to "investigate" the allegations of sex abuse agaist Hubbard and the death of Fr. Minkler. Not surprisingly, after an investigation, White gave Hubbard a clean bill of health and presented the Albany diocese with a bill for nearly $1 million in legal fees.

Does this give you a little better idea of why things will NEVER get any better in some of these dioceses, failing intervention from the Holy Spirit? The Vatican can't roust these bishops either because they are effectively in schism. Even when the Vatican sends them a direct order, they lie and say they never received it. They are effectively in schism.
51 posted on 03/18/2006 10:26:48 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: ishabibble

"Someone else on this thread called me Law's judge and jury. So, yours is the second stone..."

It was not intended as a stone, but as an expression of perplexity. You're a Catholic, and you're divorced. I'm just wondering how that works out.


52 posted on 03/19/2006 12:33:26 AM PST by dsc
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To: kittymyrib
The priests get "defrocked" and sent to some administrative job

Priests get thrown into jail as well, some are even killed while there.

53 posted on 03/19/2006 2:10:43 AM PST by Diva
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To: Antoninus

Not sure this response should go to you, but let's put it out there.

I worked for Cardinal Law and always found him very accessible and a very good boss.

My impression of him is that he has a vision as to what the responsibilities were and what the image of the Cardinal Archbishop of Boston should be and he worked very hard to meet those responsibilities and to adhere to that image.

Unfortunately that led to him making some pretty (for lack of a better word) dumb mistakes that I agree should have resulted in his resignation.

Whether his activities were criminal is open to debate, he clearly got some very bad advice from some folks (i.e. doctors at St. Luke center) that was criminal or at the very least incompetent.

You do need to remember that many of those guys who were advising Law are still in place advising O'Malley.

Good, bad or indifferent, Law has fallen on his sword and now holds a functionary position in Rome. Hardly a reward.


54 posted on 03/19/2006 8:39:44 AM PST by Cheverus
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To: Brytani

Not at the Vatican, at St. Mary Major. Cardinals are traditionally selected from among the pastors of churches of Rome. So when a foreign Cardinal (about 99% of them nowadays) is made Cardinal, they are made titular pastors of various churches in Rome. It's just that they are usually too busy serving as Archbishops to actually serve in their titular parishes. Not Cardinal Law. When he was stripped as Archbishop of Boston, he defaulted to his "day job", that of pastor of St. Mary Major, a position he was granted when he became cardinal archbishop of Boston. As chance would have it, it is the customary duty of the pastor of that church to deliver one of the eight eulogies of a Pope.


55 posted on 03/20/2006 10:57:04 PM PST by dangus
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To: ishabibble

Cardinal Law is derelict in his duty of archbishop of Boston. If you would declare him a criminal, please say what crime he is guilty of. The myth that he "fled" to Rome to avoid prosecution is pure myth. He merely defaulted to a job he was given in 1982, but was too busy to attend to as archbishop of Boston.


56 posted on 03/20/2006 10:59:26 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Racketeering. Aiding and abetting. Accessory after the crimes. Bernard Law never once stopped the rape of the children who trusted the Roman Catholic Church.

Law transferred the homosexual/pedophiles onto unsuspecting parishes, knowing full well what those people were, and what they would do once they got close to the children of a new parish.

He never called the Boston Police and reported that a person under his direction had raped children. Instead, he kept it quiet and sent those child rapists on to new places. Fresh meat, if you will. Crude, but apt.
57 posted on 03/21/2006 7:34:02 AM PST by ishabibble
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To: ishabibble

Racketeering? That word doesn't mean "really really bad, nefarious stuff." Racketeering is a financial crime, including extortion, loansharking, bribery, and obstruction of justice in the furtherance of illegal trade. Bernard Law may have been extorted, bribed, etc., for all we know, but have you ever heard of him extorting or bribing someone? (Out-of-court settlements are not legally bribes, even if they seem to be morally equivalent.)

Aiding and abetting? Abetting involves material assistance and encouragement of known criminal behavior. If some guy runs into your home carrying sequentially ordered dollar bills, and asks you where the nearest bank is, you may suspect he is a criminal. One might figure you'd have to be an idiot NOT to suspect he was a bank robber, but if you give him directions to a bank, you are NOT guilty of aiding and abetting. On the other hand, if the police inform you that Joe Schmoe is wanted for a bank robbery, and you purchase airline tickets for him, that's aiding and abetting.

Now, suppose a priest actually even CONFESSED to sexually assaulting a child. The confessor doesn't have to hand the priest over to the police, and if he did, there'd be no admissable evidence for the police to do anything about it. The confessor is granted the same immunity as a lawyer or a psychiatrist, and for the same reason.

Unless the confessor has a moral certainty that the priest will commit the crime again, he CANNOT report what has been confessed to him. Furthermore, a part of the act of confession is a statement of a sincere commitment to NOT commit the act again.

But, in truth, the issue of confession is a red herring, mostly created by anti-Catholic Hollywood types. The truth is that most of these sickos didn't believe they did anything wrong and wouldn't confess. Even if the confessor SAID he was absolved, if the penitent priest didn't sincerely resolve to never commit the act again, no absolution occurs. Maybe some "Godfather: types may not know that, but you bet your keister priests do!"


58 posted on 03/21/2006 8:04:52 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Oops! I forgot to list obstruction of just in the furtherance of illegal trade. How many people were paid off by Law before the sex scandal broke? Did the money come from the collections? Did the parishioners know that the money went to silence a little boy's family? Did the Vatican know about the payoffs? That's the first one.

If I am Bernard Law, and I find out that Fr. Buggerer got caught at it, and I don't call the cops, and I instead transfer him to another parish, in effect, a "clean slate", didn't I, in fact, buy him an airline ticket? After he stole some little kid's innocence? That's two.

Were any of the financial arrangements made in a confessional? If the Archdiocese of Boston (Law) paid families of raped boys off, wouldn't most of the discussions be held in the lawyers' offices? That's the third.

Your use of the term, "keister" is in very poor taste considering the subject, and also, what do you think would have happened to any priest who had raped a little girl during the reign of Law?

The entire Church is afraid of the homosexuals. If they had to throw them all out, there would be only a handful of true priests left.
HOMOSEXUALITY is the enemy of the Roman Catholic Church.

Where is the old concept of God Almighty, speaking through a confessor, that No, I will never forgive this sin, and Yes, you are going to go to hell for it. That's the way I learned my faith.

*Oh, no, not MY church, it's so great...SNORT*
59 posted on 03/21/2006 10:12:55 AM PST by ishabibble
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To: dangus; ishabibble
Great response Dangus. I thought your statement," The confessor is granted the same immunity as psychiatrists and lawyers,and for the same reason",should provide much food for thought. One could add many in the mental health counseling and therapy fields to the "immunity" list.

I recall early on when the scandal was first breaking a psychologist,who was not Catholic had suggested that the Church could recoup a lot of money by suing the "professionals" who had sent many of the abusive priests back with a fit to work statement. I thought it was a good idea and when the Church did not respond with any discernible action I was disappointed. I am sure the lack of response was caused by many factors including failure to act because of personal reasons including known complicity and blackmail along with more innocuous reasons like timidity and fear of hurting the Church further.

But never did I think about using the "immunity" of other professionals as a means to point out to an irate public that this problem was simmering throughout this country. Well,I think I will be using it now.

It might be pretty effective dropping a "I wonder if the sexual abuse of children could have been stopped/or would stop,if lawyers and counsellors were forced to report these behaviors to the police?". Personally,I think reporting is a terrible idea for many reasons far too complicated to deal with here,nonetheless,it will serve as a launching point for some dialogue in the market place,so to speak,which in turn should get more people thinking. The truth is very compelling.

60 posted on 03/21/2006 10:51:50 AM PST by saradippity
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