[NYer]

Dwight Longenecker is the editor or author of five books, among them, The Path to Rome, a book of British conversion stories. He is co-author of Challenging Catholics: A Catholic-Evangelical Debate and the author of More Christianity.

[muawiyah]

Good reason for why you don't see Protestants doing this is Protestants got rid of most of the hierarchy ~ and many Protestant groups have no hierarchy at all.

In fact, numerous Protestant groups in America weren't even around at the time.

Pentecostals, for example, are probably totally mystified by what the Pope did in the way of an apology ~ Fur Shur it wasn't directed at them.

The Pope is a good man ~ he can apologize for whatever he wants.

[Esther Ruth]

The Catholic response was not to burn the Bible, but to burn Tyndale's Bible.

The Protestant Reformers may have been revolutionaries, but their revolution was extremist, not unlike that of the Taliban.

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You agree with this? That it was a correct response to destroy "Tyndale's Bible" and that these reformers were not "unlike the Taliban"?

[TradicalRC]

The church which exemplifies this most is Westminster Abbey. Any Catholic visitor to London will be amazed at how this once proud Benedictine Abbey has been turned into a museum of English civil heroes. At every turn one finds statues of statesmen, kings, and politicians, while the heroes of the Christian faith are relegated to the margins.

England had long wanted to subordinate Church to the State. This goes back at least to William of Occam. Sadly, we are the child of England and have to a lesser degree, followed suit. The only difference being that The English government endorsed the Anglican Church while we endorse no church, merely a secular ideology which conveniently has no "organized" church.

[trisham]

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[Alex Murphy]

The Protestant Reformers may have been revolutionaries, but their revolution was extremist, not unlike that of the Taliban.

Another day, another flamebait thread....

[Rytwyng]

Tyndale translated the term Baptism into "washing," Scripture into "writing," Holy Ghost into "Holy Wind," bishop into "overseer," priest into "elder," deacon into "minister," heresy into "choice," martyr into "witness," etc.

Those happen to be the literal meanings of the Greek words.

[Tax-chick]

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question:

Does any remember the chart that was posted more than once some time back, showing the development of Protestant denominations and subgroups from Henry 8th and Luther down through the 19th century?

My Sunday School class asked me about the differences between Protestant churches and ours, and I'd like to do a class covering the history and general variations in doctrine.

Any suggestions on a one-stop resource for this would be appreciated!

Vlad, the Ravenous Maw, says HEY! to his namesake, Fr. Campion :-).

[stuartcr]

Religion of peace?

[bremenboy]

Bible Burnnig How bout Dog burnnig

An example of the cruelty meted out is that of Mr Collins in 1538. Collins was a Catholic and mentally subnormal. He was known as an idiot without common sense. In the terms of the day, a madman. He had no religious affiliations other than being a Catholic. During mass at a church in London, when the priest lifted up the host, Collins lifted up his dog. He was arrested, along with his dog and taken immediately to Smithfield’s. Both were burnt alive. People recognised that he was wrong; the feeling at the time being that he should have been tied to a cart and whipped, or sent to the madhouse. But people felt that there was no excuse for the scene of cruelty that took place. Questions were asked which the Catholic Church has never answered. For the dog to be burnt under Church law it had to be excommunicated first, but before you can excommunicate a dog, it would have to have been baptised! Equally the same applied to poor Collins, whilst he was baptised into the Catholic Church, he was not excommunicated before burning. His burning was murder by the laws of the time, yet the church was so evil and so powerful it could murder in this way without trial and laugh at the questioning of this illegal act.

After torture, victims would be taken to a public place and either hung for slow strangulation or chained to a stake and burnt alive.

http://homepages.enterprise.net/sisman/burningandpersecutions.html

[sanormal]

Dwight's post demonstrates that the Reformation was the religious justification for the political rise of the Nation-State and cannot be understood outside this context.

The religious ideas of the Reformation accompanied political actions and had political consequences.

Thankfully, Christianity was able to seperate politics from theology (not morality from theology). America is the result of this division and has prospered from it.

[markomalley]

Face it, the Church is wrong no matter what, just ask half the posters on this thread.

Oh, how these people hate authentic Christianity in favor of their own perversions. 'Tis no wonder our society is in the shape it's in.

[AnalogReigns]

Protestant Bishop Tunstall of London declared that there were upwards of 2,000 errors in Tyndale's Bible. Tyndale translated the term Baptism into "washing," Scripture into "writing," Holy Ghost into "Holy Wind," bishop into "overseer," priest into "elder," deacon into "minister," heresy into "choice," martyr into "witness," etc. In his footnotes, Tyndale referred to the occupant of the Chair of Peter as "that great idol, the whore of Babylon, the anti-Christ of Rome."

In a 66 book tome like the Bible 2000 errors really is not that many... Knowing a little about the original languages too each of the words you mentioned ARE valid literal translations of those words: Baptism does mean literally "washing," the word for ghost or Spirit does literally mean "wind," bishop does actually mean "overseer," priest (or minister) is another word for "elder," deacon can indeed mean "minister," heresy is from the word "choice," and martyr does actually mean "witness."

If those are examples of Tyndale's errors, and this is into modern English, not that of 400 years ago..., then there were far less than 2000!

Tyndale & his translators (he himself did not do all the translating) were under constant real threat of being burned alive, because of the lovely harmless little Roman Catholic church. Is it any wonder they identified that institution's head with the worst of evils? (keep in mind too, they did not hold the literalist view of today of one person being THE anti-Christ, rather the pope of that day they and the corrupt institution he headed they called anti-Christ or anti-Christian.) After that kind of tyranny, we call the Reformers terrorists?

George Washington and the Continental army burned down loyalist houses and buildings--were they terrorists too? Lincoln, through his generals, obliterated much of Georgia...torching everything, was he also kin to the Taliban?

I think we need to be very careful comparing bad things done to the evils of Islamic fanatics--their's is an entirely different reasoning and scale.

[sanormal]

Henry 8th needed out of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon for political reasons, not for lack of an heir.

Catherine's nephew (Charles V) became the Holy Roman Emperor and united the Houses of Burgandy and Hapsburg. Henry understood that being married into such a family would eventually threaten his sovereignty with vassalage and the very independence he had been fighting for against France.

ANY child that Henry and Catherine would produce would eventually threaten England's independence because of dynastic succession. This, in part, explains why the English were so opposed to Mary's marriage to Philip II.

Henry and Catherine's daughter Mary married Philip for political reasons and the result was an eventual subordination of English sovereignty to the Holy Roman Empire.

The only way out was for Henry to get out of that family, hence putting Catherine away. Just as the only way for England to preserve its independence was to overthrow Mary.

[Sloth]

Tyndale translated the term Baptism into "washing," Scripture into "writing," Holy Ghost into "Holy Wind," bishop into "overseer," priest into "elder," deacon into "minister," heresy into "choice," martyr into "witness," etc.

Uh, most of those are accurate translations.

[Cronos]

The West experienced it’s own version of iconoclasts