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Megachurches 'shallow in theology'
Herald Sun ^ | 22 February 2006

Posted on 02/21/2006 2:17:28 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

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To: Aussie Dasher

The WCC should welcome the PDCs. Since they have no theological grounding, these members will be easy to suck into their folds.

This is perhaps my biggest complaint about Warren and his PDC movement. They focus on meeting social needs, but theology is weak. Most of these, including ministers, if you asked them for the reasons they believe what they believe, they have no solid answer.

Can they cite verses concerning the Virgin Birth? Eternal Security? Reliabilty of the Scriptures? Salvation? THe return of Christ?

When you press them for answers, they sputter and seek to get out of the conversation calling you to narrow-minded.

Weak Christian leaders will only give birth to weak Christians. This is why most Christians cannot defend Genesis Creation and why they fall flat on their faces when they are told that the Church fought the idea of a round earth.


61 posted on 02/22/2006 7:32:47 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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To: Cronos

Wow!!! Thanks for posting those pictures. Is that a San Damiano crucifix?


62 posted on 02/22/2006 7:50:50 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The megachurches expose thousands upon thousands of "unchurched" people to God's love, mercy, & grace. What a shallow thing to do....


64 posted on 02/22/2006 7:53:36 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Aussie Dasher
Surely, these jokers don't tell people they're going to heaven irrespective of what they've done in their lives?

Apparently they do, as long as they 'receive' the Lord Jesus in their hearts. Guess they figured out how to widen the "narrow gate" ;-)

65 posted on 02/22/2006 7:55:42 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Tax-chick
This just makes me think "megachurches," on which I otherwise have no opinion, are a great thing!

Why is that?

66 posted on 02/22/2006 7:56:40 AM PST by subterfuge ("We're going to take things from you for the greater good..."---Hillary Rod-Ham Clinton)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Is that your church? What a great picture (except for the snow). :O)

I'm a little curious as to why the WCC would make such a fuss about megachurches. Criticizing Christian doctrine is out of character. I suspect the organizations who are members are starting to be a bit troubled by the lost of people leaving for these megachurches.

Give me a church like yours. It may not have a food court but I'm sure you get fed.


67 posted on 02/22/2006 8:06:03 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: NYer
Surely, these jokers don't tell people they're going to heaven irrespective of what they've done in their lives?

You mean you aren't a sinner, too...? I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't sinned even after coming to Christ, though maybe you run with a better crowd than I do....

68 posted on 02/22/2006 8:06:27 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Aussie Dasher
I am not a fan of megachurches, myself. I agree that their theology is shallow.

But is that worse than a wide, deep theology that is completely wrong and will send people on the path to perdition? I refer, of course, to the liberal theology of modern main-stream Protestant churches and that of liberal Catholics. I don't know enough about the Orthodox to make a judgment, but they seem fairly sound for the most part.

I come from a conservative, evangelical background myself, and find that it satisfies my needs.
69 posted on 02/22/2006 8:12:38 AM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: servantboy777

I don't think I said that; I can't imagine that we could FIND 72 actual virgins. ;)


70 posted on 02/22/2006 8:14:32 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Drango

Love your sig. That's right between the eyes truth.


71 posted on 02/22/2006 8:16:02 AM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: TexanToTheCore

I was, of course, joking about Sunday brunch being a "drunken orgy" as the other poster said, but Episcopalians are known for their fondness for good Cabernets and single malt Scotches. ;-D


72 posted on 02/22/2006 8:16:55 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: alpha-8-25-02
AT THIS LITTLE CORNER OF GOD'S CREATION,HIS WORD IS NEVER COMPROMISED.

That's a pretty bold statement now.

73 posted on 02/22/2006 8:17:50 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: alpha-8-25-02; Aussie Dasher; Sensei Ern; nmh; The Ghost of FReepers Past; potlatch; ...
Thanks for the ping, alpha!

..."mostly ran on a business model to make worshipers feel good and were shallow in their theology.[...]
The megachurches simply wanted individuals to feel good about themselves, he said."

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but [wanting] to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires;
and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.
--2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NAS)

Sadly, it is not just megachurches that do this! (And no, I'm not saying ALL megachurches do!)

74 posted on 02/22/2006 8:29:41 AM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President!)
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To: freebilly
You mean you aren't a sinner, too...?

There was only one perfect man and they crucified Him.

I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't sinned even after coming to Christ,

Well .... that's comforting. Good to know that people still recognize their frailities and dependence on God.

though maybe you run with a better crowd than I do....

Probably not :-) However, here is how we approach repentance.

Examination of Conscience

75 posted on 02/22/2006 8:36:02 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: freebilly

Some people get the impression (and there's a Barna survey that sort of backs this) that holiness isn't something we are to try to achieve. So some people get the impression that people are preaching that followers of Christ don't need to try to resist sin, or that it's too hard to reach for holiness.

And unfortunately, some people seem to believe this, even though they go to church.


And that's what some people are perceiving.
The Barna survey found:

The telephone survey of 1,003 Americans in January finds that only one-third of Americans contend that “God expects you to become holy,” and 46 percent believe God has called them to holiness. Young adults (39 years old or younger) are less likely to believe that God expects holiness

http://www.christianpost.com/article/ministries/1757/section/new.barna.survey.finds.most.americans.baffled.by.holiness/1.htm

It's clearly written that we should be holy people. Yes, we slip, but if we don't have a sense of what's sinful, or people PERCEIVE that we don't have a sense of what Jesus expects, it gets hard to be salt and light to the world.


76 posted on 02/22/2006 8:39:30 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: HarleyD

brother,

praise GOD!

TONIGHT WE WILL TEACH 1ST TIMOTHY 5.

This whole chapter is really a commentary on Jesus' command of "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35, NKJV).

BY GOD'S GRACE WE WILL DEAL WITH THE SNOW AND THE FELLOWSHIP MEALS ARE GREAT!

5 SOLAS!


77 posted on 02/22/2006 8:54:45 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: ReformedBeckite

ONLY TRUTH!

"God our Savior; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."—1 Timothy 2:3, 4.


PLEASE JOIN US ,IF YOU ARE NEAR!


78 posted on 02/22/2006 8:57:59 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: NYer

Hmmm..., well my Bible doesn't mention anything about mortal or venial sins so I assume this is all part of the tradition of Catholicism.

I'm certain that my brand of Christianity looks odd to Catholics, just as the practice of Catholicism looks odd to me. Maybe we should resolve to do as St Paul admonishes in 1 Corinthians 10 and seek the good of all-- "Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks, or the church of God--"


79 posted on 02/22/2006 9:02:43 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Larry Lucido

"I missed the part in the Bible that set zoning and occupancy requirements for Christian churches"

Try Romans 13:1-7 and Titus 3:1. We are all under authority and government was established for the common good. If we don't like the laws and civil ordinances we can address them at the ballot box. Zoning, occupancy, parking, building, fire and health codes do not hinder the spread of the Gospel, just the size, location and kind of structure.


80 posted on 02/22/2006 9:09:11 AM PST by blue-duncan
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