Posted on 01/07/2006 6:39:33 AM PST by bornacatholic
BTW, Kolo, how was the water today in Casco Bay ? :)
Please ping the other Orthodox believers. I can't remember them all.
Were the Magi who visited Jesus -- Persian?
Thousands watch teens dive for the cross in Tarpon Springs
Patriarch Adds To Epiphany Pomp
May I suggest a towel?
But, it wasn't the Cross referred to in the story. It doesn't sound to me like young Jack is going to be selling the Cross he found
They still do this? How cool.
Ping.
I just caught the very tail end of the live broadcast on the live link you posted, pretty cool. The commentators mentioned the Patriarch will also be travelling to New Orleans.
Ping
Thank you brother in Christ. Today, however, was the "other" Orthodox Christmas (according to the Old-Calendar) for some 85% or more Orthodox in the world. Our Feast of the Epiphany will be in two weeks, done the same way, of course. But, your gesture of good will is much appreciated, regardless of the Calendar of course. :-)
Didn't the East once celebrate the birth of Christ on Epiphany?
According to the "Old" Calendar, the Birth of Christ is celebrated on December 25th, which is January 6th by the "New" or Gregorian Calendar.
Tsarist Russia used the "Old" Calendar before the communists took over in 1917 in the so-called October Revolution. The event took place in November according to the Gregorian Calendar, but according to the "Old" Calendar, it was still October.
In 1920 or so, the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople (Istanbul), was pushing for changes in the Orthodox Church. I am not sure what his reasons were, but allegedly being a Freemason his motives must be viewed with suspicion. All of his proposals were aimed at making the Eastern Orthodox Church "appear" more "western." Thus, he proposed clean shaven priests, the use of Anglican "dog-collar," and the use of the Gregorian Calendar.
Some Churches (Greek, Romanian, Bulgarian etc.) accepted the so-called New Calendar since then, and some of their priesthood sport a distinctly "western" look.
While by far most of the 15 or so Orthodox Churches in communion with the EP use the New Calendar, by far the largest Orthodox group, the Russian Orthodox Church, and some smaller ones, such as Serbian, etc. have retained the Old Calendar in Church use.
It is important to note that Pascha (aka "Easter") is celebrated by ALL Orthodox Churches according to the Old Calendar, which determines the day of Pascha based on the Jewish lunar and Roman solar calendars. The importance of this is that the central feast of the Church is celebrated by all Orthodox Chirstians on the same day regardless which Calendar they use, and that the occurrence of Pascha is never before the Jewish Passover, but always the first Sunday following the Passover, for historical accuracy.
So, the use of the New Calendar is a sore spot from the perspective of Orthodox unity, but at the same time the provisions were made to assure that the Calendar does not divide us or that it does not corrupt our theology and tradition, although the reasons for the New Calendar in Church use remain a mystery to me.
Christ is born! Magnify Him!
I think that maybe I'll haul the Bride over to Tarpon Springs next year and witness the festivities. One can't get enough of these public professions of Faith.
Maybe one of these days, our Catholic Diocese will wake-up and get a clue...
You are not the only voice. There are clergy and laity who share your sentiment. Chief amongst you is none other than +Benedict XVI.
The Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of the worldwide Orthodox Christian Church, steps over rubble as he surveys devastation at the site of the break in the inner harbor navigational canal Saturday, Jan. 7, 2006, in the Lower Ninth Ward district of New Orleans. Bartholomew laid flowers and prayed for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.
Here, boys swim from small boats to reach the Epiphany cross tossed into Spring Bayou in Tarpon Springs, Fla. The tradition in Tarpon Springs, now in its 100th year, began as Greeks came to the area to find work in the sponge diving industry.
While it probably isnt' the best of ideas, the sale of this material may provide someone with the joy of obtaining these materials who otherwise may not have been able to attend the actual event and had desired to attend.
just my opinion...
I gotta say I LOVE his public personna, words, bearing,vestments ect. Such contra mundum clothing, bearing, actions, speech and behavior reminds all that some are chosen by God and ordained to serve Him and in serving Him, serving us. It is really a wonderful thing to behold such dignified dress, bearing, and demeanor- especially in egalitarian American.
Our Tradition teaches Vestments were created to remind all of the world that the Priest/Patriarch/Pope (especially during service at the Altar), "in a sense leaves the earth and enters another world, the shimmer of which is mirrored in his vesture"
When I was young, a LONG time ago, I was used to seeing Clerics in the Roman Collar and Bishops wonderously attired appearing in public.
I pray the great example of your Patriarch will remind our Prelates that such vestments serve as a witness to Christ amongst the World and if there is one thing we Latins must recapture, it is a sense of dignity, decorum, bearing, humility and honor, all of which are virtues personified by your Patriarch.
In my lifetime, our particular Churches went from complete separation to withdrawls of excommunications, to inter-Church dialogue, etc. all the way to +Bartholomew I, not so long ago, sending greetings to "Our beloved Roman Catholic Church" while responding to a papal legate who paid him a visit in Instanbul.
So, while it may not be ours to see, we should continue to pray, but remember that the clergy and laity must step forward and initiate these changes.
In my lifetime, our particular Churches went from complete separation to withdrawls of excommunications, to inter-Church dialogue, etc. all the way to +Bartholomew I, not so long ago, sending greetings to "Our beloved Roman Catholic Church" while responding to a papal legate who paid him a visit in Instanbul.
So, while it may not be ours to see, we should continue to pray, but remember that the clergy and laity must step forward and initiate these changes.
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