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Synod proposes greater vocations efforts, no easing of celibacy rules (+ many other proposals!)
Catholic News Service ^ | October, 18, 2005 | John Thavis

Posted on 10/18/2005 9:56:16 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 10/18/2005 9:56:18 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/18/2005 9:57:30 AM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
Some good signs:

Proposition 40 said Catholics who have divorced and civilly remarried without an annulment "cannot be admitted to holy Communion" because they are in clear contrast with church teaching on marriage.

But it added: "In this context, the synod fathers affirmed the importance of the inestimable gift of ecclesiastical celibacy in the practice of the Latin Church." Catholic faithful, it said, need to better know the reasons behind the relationship between celibacy and ordination.

Proposition 35, however, said reception of Communion should never be seen as automatic. Non-Catholics attending Mass should be told "delicately but clearly" that their nonparticipation in Communion does not signify a lack of respect for them; Catholics should be reminded of the need to be in a state of grace before receiving Communion.

Proposition 6 urged promotion of eucharistic adoration, which it called "a sign of the times," and encouraged pastors to keep local churches open to favor the practice.

Various other propositions called for the continued use of Latin in liturgies with international participants; asked for study of the practice of concelebrating huge Masses; highlighted the importance of genuflecting at important moments of the eucharistic prayer during Mass; said the church tabernacle should be placed in a place that is "noble, esteemed, well visible" and adapted to prayer.

The only thing that I raised a bit of an eyebrow at was the part that said "It said liturgical abuses had occurred in the past, but said they had diminished substantially in recent times." I don't know if that is proveable, or even true.

3 posted on 10/18/2005 10:11:25 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Blessed Pius IX, pray for us!)
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To: Pyro7480
I don't know if that is proveable, or even true.

A couple of weeks ago as I approached the chalice, I heard something unique, "I think there's still a drop left." Followed by a dry giggle.

Well.

That was certainly 'extraordinary'.

I had to ask her twice, "What are you supposed to say to me?" before she remembered what she was supposed to do.

I think we may be getting dumber by the minute.

And Rockin' Raymond, our musical director, is certainly a distraction. I wish he'd just get it out of his system and form a cover band and play in bars on the weekends. Just because he doesn't have a misspent youth to regret, don't take it out on the rest of us.

4 posted on 10/18/2005 10:48:12 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: NYer
It said liturgical abuses had occurred in the past, but said they had diminished substantially in recent times.

I'm sure that's what Cardinal Mahoney told them...
5 posted on 10/18/2005 11:08:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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To: Pyro7480

Liturgical abuses are rampant in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, from the subtle to the outrageous...all being deliberate, not honest mistakes.

I don't know what world these bishops are living in. The younger generation can't come to power soon enough and replace this pusillanimous breed of bishops.


6 posted on 10/18/2005 11:12:58 AM PDT by jrny (Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto Decimo Sexto.)
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Speaking of that archdiocese, the most recent issue of Inside the Vatican has an article about St. Alphonsus and the indult community. The question is asked concerning its future, since the pastor is getting up there in age.
7 posted on 10/18/2005 11:16:26 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Blessed Pius IX, pray for us!)
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Well, first of all, I wouldn't include St. Alphonsus in the liturgical abuse presence, but you could go to just about any suburban (Baltimore County et al.) parish, and have your fill of abuses.

Secondly, the Indult at St. A is very far from ideal for many reasons which I have noted in the past, part being the fact the future is unknown. The pastor is, I think, 79 and the other priest who says the TLM there is even older...at least 82/83. Cardinal Keeler is dead set against the FSSP coming in, but he turns 75 next year if that is any consolation.

Can you post me a link to that article?


8 posted on 10/18/2005 11:21:39 AM PDT by jrny (Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto Decimo Sexto.)
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To: jrny

I don't think Inside the Vatican has posted the article on line, unfortunately.


9 posted on 10/18/2005 11:24:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Blessed Pius IX, pray for us!)
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To: Pyro7480
"It said liturgical abuses had occurred in the past, but said they had diminished substantially in recent times." I don't know if that is proveable, or even true.

You're right. How is this proveable? Perhaps they're alluding to the number of papers distributed worldwide, admonishing bishops to ensure proper conformity with the GIRM. Perhaps the number of complaints has diminished over the past decade? It's worth monitoring.

10 posted on 10/18/2005 11:35:48 AM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer

I was thinking about posting this yesterday with a Duh! alert attached:

WASHINGTON (CNS) -- A new vocations campaign is being launched by the U.S. bishops with the idea that more men simply need to be invited to become priests by priests who are happy with their lives. Announced in Washington Oct.14, the program, called Priestly Life and Vocation Summit: Fishers of Men, is based on having dioceses and religious orders convene priests to discuss their vocations, emphasizing the positive aspects, and then encouraging them to invite other men to consider following them. Father Edward Burns, director of the Secretariat for Vocations and Priestly Formation at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, cited a survey of the 2003 U.S. ordination class in which 78 percent of the men about to be ordained said a priest had invited them to consider the priesthood.


11 posted on 10/18/2005 12:33:32 PM PDT by siunevada
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Well, nothing earth-shaking. Everything remains pretty much the same; a few details here and there change, but nothing else.

-Theo


12 posted on 10/18/2005 2:39:11 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org)
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To: NYer
it proposed the preparation of a pastoral resource that connects Sunday readings with doctrinal themes.

Instead of Father's favorite TV sitcom, or what Oprah taught him about life?

One of the priests I know told me that this is how they were taught to preach in seminary. Of course, he went to a notorious Pink Palace, but from what I have seen, it doesn't really matter where they went. They are ignorant of doctrine, ignorant of devotion and piety, and believe that they are basically the budget version of Oprah or, on a good day, Dr. Phil. They misunderstand not only how to give a homily, but what the faith is about and what their job is in the first place.

13 posted on 10/18/2005 3:01:19 PM PDT by livius
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I am rather disappointed the Synod did not present a uniform policy for dealing with anti-Catholic Catholic politicians. I think it should have explicity stated that the heresy presented by the likes of Durbin, Kennedy, and Schwarzenager should bar them from reception of communion for their un-Catholic views. Now more limp-wristed bishops will encourage them.


14 posted on 10/18/2005 4:25:16 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Teófilo

"Well, nothing earth-shaking. Everything remains pretty much the same; a few details here and there change, but nothing else."

Given what the Eastern Rite hierarchs had to say, this is a bit disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. Its too bad; the Latin bishops should have listened to their Eastern brothers more.


15 posted on 10/18/2005 4:40:55 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Pyro7480

Liturgical abuses exist because there is a lack of catechesis.

A lack of catechesis exists because there is a shortage of well-trained, reverent and holy priests to do the teaching.


16 posted on 10/18/2005 5:08:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: siunevada
Is this what you were thinking of?

Catholic Priest Recruitment Program Launched

17 posted on 10/18/2005 5:10:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Is this what you were thinking of?

Yup. It seems simple enough and straightforward. How did it make it past the USCCB staff?

18 posted on 10/18/2005 5:37:09 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: siunevada

Who knows? LOL!


19 posted on 10/18/2005 5:39:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer; Teófilo

I have to agree. Not much changes. The one interesting detail that I saw was proposition 13, re-consideration of the sequence of Baptism, Chrismation and first communion for children to possibly bring it into conformity with the eastern Catholic norm.

I didn't have much of a problem in that what the eastern Catholic hierarchs had to say didn't make it to the final documents. It didn't need to, and I wouldn't expect it to. The eastern hierarchs delivered The Message, and the western hierarchs can either listen or not. FWIW I think that the person whose vote really counts, that being Pope Benedict, was probably listening.

It would be naive to expect what is predominantly a synod of the western church to generate a document that would, in effect, call the western church on the carpet.


20 posted on 10/19/2005 5:36:09 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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