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The Great Evangelical Disaster
Banner of Truth ^ | Francis A. Schaeffer

Posted on 07/03/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by Gamecock

The evangelical world has been celebrating the 50th anniversary of the beginning of L'Abri in Switzerland by Francis Schaeffer. At his prime, in 1984, he wrote a book called The Great Evangelical Disaster: 1934-1984 (Published by Crossway Books) in which he traced out the downgrade in evangelicalism in the fifty years preceding 1984. How similar to Dr Lloyd-Jones were his convictions. These are some of the things Schaeffer said in what was one of his most important books.

"Make no mistake. We as Bible-believing evangelical Christians are locked in a battle. This is not a friendly gentleman's discussion. It is a life and death conflict between the spiritual hosts of wickedness and those who claim the name of Christ. It is a conflict on the level of ideas between two fundamentally opposed views of truth and reality. It is a conflict on the level of actions between a complete moral perversion and chaos and God's absolutes. But do we really believe that we are in a life and death battle?" (31, 32).

"Do you understand now what the battle is about in the area of culture and ideas? In the last sixty years the consensus upon which our culture was built has shifted from one that was largely Christian (though we must say immediately it was far from perfect) to a consensus growing out of the Enlightenment: that is, to a consensus that stands in total anithesis to Christian truth at every point- including the denial of the supernatural; belief in the all-sufficiency of human reason; the rejection of the fall; denial of the deity of Christ and his resurrection; belief in the perfectibility of Man; and the destruction of the Bible. And with this has come a nearly total moral breakdown. There is no way to make a synthesis of these ideas and Christian truth. They stand in total antithesis," (35,36).

"Here is the great evangelical disaster - the failure of the evangelical world to stand for truth as truth. There is only one word for this - namely accommodation: the evangelical church has accommodated to the world spirit of the age. First, there has been accommodation on Scripture, so that many who call themselves evangelicals hold a weakened view of the Bible and no longer affirm the truth of all the Bible teaches - truth not only in religious matters but in the areas of science and history and morality. As part of this, many evangelicals are now accepting the higher critical methods in the study of the Bible. Remember, it was these same methods which destroyed the authority of the Bible for the Protestant church in Germany in the last century, and which have destroyed the Bible for the liberal in our own country from the beginning of this century. And second, there has been accommodation on the issues, with no clear stand being taken even on matters of life and death" (37).

"Within evangelicalism there is a growing number who are modifying their views on the inerrancy of the Bible so that the full authority of Scripture is completely undercut" (44).

"Unless the Bible is without error, not only when it speaks of salvation matters, but also when it speaks of history and the cosmos, we have no foundation for answering questions concerning the existence of the universe and its form and the uniqueness of man. Nor do we have any moral absolutes, or certainty of salvation, and the next generation of Christians will have nothing on which to stand" (46).

"What the Bible clearly teaches about the limitations placed upon divorce and remarriage is now put by some evangelicals in the area of cultural orientation. They say these were just the ideas of that moment when the New Testament was written" (59).

"Do we not have to agree that even much of the evangelical church, which claims to believe that the Bible is without error, has bent Scripture at the point of divorce to conform to the culture rather than the Scripture judging the present viewpoints of the fallen culture? Do we not have to agree that in the area of divorce and remarriage there has been a lack of biblical teaching and discipline even among evangelicals?" (63).

"It seems to me that by the end of the 1930's almost all the major Protestant denominations in the United States came under the control of those holding liberal theological views, and that now in the 1980s those denominations not dominated by liberal theology in the 1930s are in the same place of decision as the others were in the 1930s. It should be noted that the Roman Catholic Church now also has many in the hierarchy, many theologians and teachers, called progressives, who are existential theologians who believe and teach the same things as the existential theologians in the Protestant churches do, but using traditional Roman Catholic, rather than Protestant, terms" (80).

"Let us again go back to the Presbyterian struggles of the thirties when true Christians did not remember to keep this balance. On the one hand, they waited far too long to exert discipline, and so they lost the denomination, as did the Christians in almost every other denomination. On the other hand, some of them treated the liberals as less than human, and therefore they learned such bad habits that later, when those who formed new groups developed minor differences among themselves, they continued to treat each other badly" (85).

"Discipline had not been consistently applied by the faithful men of the church. The church was able to discipline Dr. Briggs in the 1880s, but after that faithful men waited too long. Though they had achieved one outstanding victory, after that first burst of discipline they did nothing, until it was far too late. Discipline in the church and in our Christian organizations - as in the family - is not something that can be done in one great burst of enthusiasm, one great conference, one great anything. Men must be treated in love as human beings but it is a case of continual, moment-by-moment care, for we are not dealing with a merely human organisation but with the church of Christ. Hence, the practice of the purity of the visible church first means discipline of those who do not take a proper position in regard to the teaching of Scripture" (86).

"The socialist mentality as promoted by Evangelicals for Social Action and others, and endorsed by much of the evangelical world, is based upon a double error. First and foremost it is wrong theologically, fundamentally distorting the meaning of the gospel. But it is equally wrong in its naive assessment of the redistribution of wealth and its consequences. The answer is not some kind of socialistic or egalitarian redistribution" (113).

"Unilateral disarmament in this fallen world, especially in the face of aggressive Soviet materialism with its anti-God basis, would be altogether utopian and romantic. It would lead, as utopianism always has in this fallen world, to disaster," (129).

"The world spirit of our age espouses an extremely strong and subversive feminist view which teaches that the home and family are ways of oppressing women; that personal fulfillment and career must come before one's marriage and the needs of children; that housework and child care are demeaning; that it is a waste of one's talents to be a full-time homemaker" (134).

"If we accept the idea of equality without distinction, we logically must accept the ideas of abortion and homosexuality. For if there are no significant distinctions between men and women, then certainly we cannot condemn homosexual relationships. And if there are no significant distinctions, this fiction can be maintained only by the use of abortion-on-demand as a means of coping with the most profound evidence that distinctions really do exist" (136).


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
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1 posted on 07/03/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I will read this later.

Looks like a good post.


2 posted on 07/03/2005 12:37:05 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
An interesting read for fans of Francis Schaeffer

GRPL PING


3 posted on 07/03/2005 12:37:51 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't beaten to a bloody pulp, nailed onto a cross and then left to suffocate.)
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To: Gamecock
He has some good points and I have been telling Protestant friends much the same but he does not go back far enough. There was a time Protestants taught Mary the Mother of Christ was Ever Virgin, not any longer. Protestants used to teach it was wrong to use birth control, not any longer. Protestants used to teach it was wrong to rebel against the lawful King, not any longer, Protestants used to teach it was wrong for the Government to take private property calling it stealing, not any longer. But then men of faith used to teach it was wrong to reject the Pope's authority, not any longer. May be it is time to rethink all the changes in Doctrine over the last 500 years?

Remember what Christ said to do should "even an angel come and teach a new doctrine" If the doctrine you are teaching has not been around for 2000 years and taught by every generation since it might warrant another look.
4 posted on 07/03/2005 1:39:27 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Where in the Bible is the immaculate conception of Mary taught? None of the apostles wrote about it. That is a new doctrine not found in Scripture.


5 posted on 07/03/2005 1:46:34 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
Catholic Tradition provides your answer but there are clues in the Bible. A good exercise to do to understand better than any thing I can cite is to ask for every instance in the Bible where God was present is a real sense that was not rendered pure and holy. For an example of what I mean is the cloud of glory that filled the Holy of Holies in the desert. It was purified and made holy as God prescribed. Can you cite an example that was not already holy such as the Garden of Eden and Mount Sinai? If you can not then explain how a woman born in original sin can be holy.
6 posted on 07/03/2005 2:01:02 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: kittymyrib

The immaculate conception isn't taught in the Bible???? Maybe I misunderstand the meaning of this phrase?


8 posted on 07/03/2005 2:36:44 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Mark in the Old South
"even an angel come and teach a new doctrine"

Which of course what Rome did virtually from the beginning of Catholicism.
9 posted on 07/03/2005 2:52:01 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't beaten to a bloody pulp, nailed onto a cross and then left to suffocate.)
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To: Mark in the Old South
Catholic Tradition provides...

I don't think so. Genesis through Malachi, Matthew through Revelation. If it's not therein, it's outright rejected.

Sola Scriptura, thank you very much.

Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum


10 posted on 07/03/2005 3:07:13 PM PDT by rdb3 (What you want? Morning sickness or sickness from mourning? --Nick Cannon)
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To: TonyRo76

Right back at you Tony!


11 posted on 07/03/2005 3:13:19 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't beaten to a bloody pulp, nailed onto a cross and then left to suffocate.)
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To: Gamecock
"Which of course what Rome did virtually from the beginning of Catholicism."

Really? I suggest you go back and reread the article. Schaeffer spends a great deal of time discussing the 'great Protestant cave-in' on divorce. That innovation comes from Geneva, not Rome. It is also the two-ton elephant at the American cocktail party when it comes to the crucial life issues. And this, I am afraid to say, begins with the Protestant denigration of marriage from sacrament to contract. The Enlightenment was the direct result of the Reformation. Again, from Geneva, not Rome.

12 posted on 07/03/2005 4:28:29 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the article. It is an interesting piece by Banner of Truth but it does not do justice to Schaeffer's book. There is no definition of "evangelical" and "Evangelical", no interaction with Martin LLoyd-Jones and they introduce hot topics like abortion, divorce and homosexuality without any background or context. It would seem for a celebration piece they could have done more than just a few isolated thoughts. I think this will cause more controversy out side of Schaeffer's thinking than discussion of his worthy ideas.


13 posted on 07/03/2005 5:12:33 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Mark in the Old South

If Catholicism teaches all those things, why are so many Catholics not following them? Doesn't that put them at the level of us "Protties"?


14 posted on 07/03/2005 7:17:20 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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When either partner can go to a lawyer and get a no-fault divorce, then it's hard to prevent there being divorced catholics.

But the church never changed on the teachings. If a divorced person remarries, it means the person put himself outside of the bounds of the church and have excommunicated himself. This is not caving in on the teachings.

You can apply for an annulment, which looks carefully at the marriage - sometimes deciding that a person did not have the ability to commit or whatever is sometimes abused in this country... but it's not automatic and takes time, even then. Without it, a person is not allowed to receive the sacraments...a very serious thing to a catholic. Or should be.

But like everything, the secular values have crept in. And Catholic marriages often do end up in divorce...but not because the church condones the behavior.


15 posted on 07/03/2005 7:52:32 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Amen!


16 posted on 07/03/2005 8:06:29 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Gamecock
Very good post!

I finally had a chance to read it.

Hope you don't mind if I post this else where.

Too many preachers today don't want to discuss those "absolutes". Here's one that terrifies them;

John.3:18

[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those who believe are NOT condemned but those who do NOT believe are condemned already.

I was going through the channels and came across Larry King. I can't tell you how long it's been since I watched this narcissistic person but I heard the word Christ and turned back to him. He had Joel Osteen on as his guest. He's supposed to be a popular preacher in Texas.

Here's the transcript of the interview.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/lkl.01.html

"Joel Osteen, evangelism's hottest rising star, pastor for the biggest congregation in the United States."

Some snippets:

KING: But don't you think if people don't believe as you believe, they're somehow condemned?

OSTEEN: You know, I think that happens in our society. But I try not to do that. I tell people all the time, preached a couple Sundays about it. I'm for everybody. You may not agree with me, but to me it's not my job to try to straighten everybody out. The Gospel called the good news. My message is a message of hope, that's God's for you. You can live a good life no matter what's happened to you. And so I don't know. I know there is condemnation but I don't feel that's my place.

...

This explains allot about his ignorance but no excuse:

KING: So you didn't go to seminary?

OSTEEN: No, sir, I didn't.

KING: They can just make you a minister?

OSTEEN: You can, you can.

KING: That's kind of an easy way in.

OSTEEN: Yeah, but I think it happens more than you think. But I didn't go to seminary. I have a lot of great friends that did. But I didn't. But I did study 17 years under my dad. You know ...

KING: Are you a pastor? A reverend? Legally what are you?

OSTEEN: I'm a reverend and a pastor. A pastor of the church. I go by usually pastor.
...

Tries hard to dance on this one but miserably fails. He's a goodnews guy with no knowledge. There is some truth about the snide remarks about the smiling preacher. Anyway, look at this exchange:

KING: Because we've had ministers on who said, your record don't count. You either believe in Christ or you don't. If you believe in Christ, you are, you are going to heaven. And if you don't no matter what you've done in your life, you ain't.

OSTEEN: Yeah, I don't know. There's probably a balance between. I believe you have to know Christ. But I think that if you know Christ, if you're a believer in God, you're going to have some good works. I think it's a cop-out to say I'm a Christian but I don't ever do anything ...

KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

...

KING: How about issues that the church has feelings about? Abortion? Same-sex marriages?

OSTEEN: Yeah. You know what, Larry? I don't go there. I just ...

KING: You have thoughts, though.

OSTEEN: I have thoughts. I just, you know, I don't think that a same-sex marriage is the way God intended it to be. I don't think abortion is the best. I think there are other, you know, a better way to live your life. But I'm not going to condemn those people. I tell them all the time our church is open for everybody.

KING: You don't call them sinners?

OSTEEN: I don't.

KING: Is that a word you don't use?

OSTEEN: I don't use it. I never thought about it. But I probably don't. But most people already know what they're doing wrong. When I get them to church I want to tell them that you can change. There can be a difference in your life. So I don't go down the road of condemning.

I'm beginning to wonder if under Joels chair was brown. I wonder how many times he sais "I do, I do" and "I don't know" or I "never thought about that".

He's too much:

KING: You believe in the Bible literally?

OSTEEN: I do, I do.

Yeah, sure you "do". You just don't want to talk about it.
You just want people to feel good. His father if he was a Baptist must be turning around in his grave because of the sloop coming out of his son's mouth.

And on it goes.

It's all watered down feel good stuff. That's what evangelism is turning into. It's disgusting and certainly isn't saving any souls.
17 posted on 07/03/2005 8:51:05 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: AlguyA

Divorce is something we can agree on. The Pope isn't.


20 posted on 07/04/2005 12:19:54 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't beaten to a bloody pulp, nailed onto a cross and then left to suffocate.)
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