The use of the Cathedral by other faiths

TidingsOnline ^ | 06/10/05 | Rt. Rev. Alexei Smith

[annalex]

I was comparing the worldly love for the late pope to the same type of worldly love for the late princess

You said in #58 that the late Pope and Lady Diana had similarly superficial ways of appealing to people. If, now, you are ready to retract your #58, apologize for it, and if you must, explain yourself better, go right ahead, and I will retract and apologize for all the mild profanity I directed your way.

I am not interested in any other opinion you have.

[murphE]

If, now, you are ready to retract your #58, apologize for it, and if you must, explain yourself better, go right ahead, and I will retract and apologize for all the mild profanity I directed your way.

Whoa, deja vu. This is the same thing you did to te lucis on another thread. You misread what someone says, then you behave badly, then you demand an apology from them. If this follows true to form, in a few more posts sempertrad and I will be suspended, and you will be claiming that you never meant that to happen.

[sempertrad]

You said in #58 that the late Pope and Lady Diana had similarly superficial ways of appealing to people.

And in addition to being known the world over, and showing compassion and concern for humanity, that's where the similarities end.

But the "superficial ways of appealing to people" was not what got your shorts in a twist. It was you wanting to believe I said that they had in common an immoral lifestyle. You were ticked off for having no substantial argument about ecumenism and were looking for any excuse to go ballistic. So you took a chance and jumped on something. You did something similar to another poster not too long ago.

As far as any apologies you may or may not wish to offer at this time, forget it. I already forgave all your "mild profanities" right after I read them, anyway.

You're welcome.

[sempertrad]

I forgot to add something:

I said: But the "superficial ways of appealing to people" was not what got your shorts in a twist. It was you wanting to believe I said that they had in common an immoral lifestyle.

This is easy to prove. A few posts before my reference to Princess Di, I spoke about Billy Graham and the Dali Lama in the same way. You made no comment. It was my mentioning the princess which gave you the wiggle room you needed to jump on something and start twisting it around.

[annalex]

As you wish.

I was irritated by Dalai Lama comparison as well, but Princess Diana went over the top.

There was a similar episode with Te Lucis, where s/he made an obscene reference to the Holy Communion, then claimed being misunderstood. In both cases there was a deliberate escalation of offensive to the Catholic Church but ambiguously worded posts, till someone called you on the offense. It was not my wish then, and it is not my wish now to have anyone banned over this. The only one with a technical violation is me, because I used mild profanity, for which I apologize the the gentle Freepers.

My advice to you all, stop trolling and think of what positive contributions your sect is capable of.

[sempertrad]

I was irritated by Dalai Lama comparison as well

Ah, baloney.

Let's see how many instances of "trolling" we can find in this one post of yours alone:

#1.s/he made an obscene reference to the Holy Communion,

False. You took it that way. Its in the past anyway, and only brought up here to show that you now have established a pattern of arrogantly asserting that your way of seeing things means that's how they really are, and if you don't like what you're so sure you're seeing you'll run hog wild with it.

ambiguously worded posts, till someone called you on the offense

If the words are "ambiguous" why not just ask for clarification first before flying off the handle? And if they are "ambiguous" how can you be sure that they are meant the way you see them?

#2. stop trolling

You're the only one trolling. So, stop it.

#3. your sect

Catholicism is no sect. It's the one, true religion.

g'night now.

[Robert Drobot]

That's NO cathedral...

.....but suitable for an NO Mass.

[te lucis]

Oh, brother.

[annalex]

one, true religion.

That's rich, coming from a schismatic who just got done insulting the memory of a Pope.

[murphE]

There you go again. You continue to spread falsehoods, repeated loud enough and often enough do you think that they become true?

Oh, wait! I get it! You did say that you knew the Soviet Empire well, didn't you now?

#4.That's rich, coming from a schismatic who just got done insulting the memory of a Pope.

I know you are, but what am I? Infinite. =P

[annalex]

You are acting dumb.

[murphE]

You are acting dumb.

No "dumber" than repeating a false accusation over and over again because you have no real argument. I gave you the response your post merited.

[sempertrad]

I'm not a schismatic and your insistance that I am does not and cannot make it so. Sorry.

[annalex]

My assumption was that you belong to the SSPX, based on your overall character and the home page. If you are not, and still bashing the Pope, then no one including yourself knows what you are.

[annalex]

The reader can decide if the hateful posts, #58 on this thread, and this deserve censure.

In the dynamic of their threads, one compares the Pope to a brainless pop culture icon, the other compares the Holy Communion to garbage. Both, of course, are worded to afford the haters some wiggle room toward deniability. We are now in the denial stage.

[te lucis]

The reader can decide if the hateful posts, #58 on this thread, and this deserve censure.

Whiner.

In the dynamic of their threads, one compares the Pope to a brainless pop culture icon,

I wouldn't say brainless (that's your term), but if "pop culture icon" ever described anyone, it was JP2.

the other compares the Holy Communion to garbage. Both, of course, are worded to afford the haters some wiggle room toward deniability. We are now in the denial stage.

For someone who doesn't want anyone to get banned, you sure are hangin' some pretty big bait out there.

[sempertrad]

My assumption was that you belong to the SSPX.

"Belong?" No, I'm not an SSPX priest, bishop, sister, or brother.

My homepage shows nothing more than a picture of and a prayer to Pope St. Pius X. Its there for no other reason than to express my admiration and love for him, as I believe he was truly a great Pope. Quite possibly the greatest.

It is he who said to be very leery of "new apostles eagerly attempting to do better by a common interchange of vague idealism and civic virtues." And people who "dream of re-shaping society [...] and of establishing on earth 'the reign of love and justice' with workers coming from everywhere, of all religions and of no religion, with or without beliefs, so long as they forego what might divide them - their religious and philosophical convictions, and so long as they share what unites them."

My "overall character"? You're the last person here who should be finding fault with the character of other people.

And what does your overall character demonstrate? Well, it demonstrates that I might be right: That the late Pope really didn't have the profound influence and impact you believe he did. He implored us to always "dialogue" with "respect" always remembering the "dignity" of others - and he made no distinctions. (Not even with the man who tried to take his life.) Have you done likewise here with murphe or me? Not in the least. You bring more harm to his memory than I ever could. You want me to see the positive influence he had on people? Try showing he had any on you first.

[annalex]

No one baited you, then or now. MurphE brought that episode up, then declared mine being a "false accusation". I gave link so that the reader can judge for himself.

[annalex]

Indeed, since John Paul II forgave Agca for shooting him, he would probably have the magnanimity forgiving you for your lame insults.

I cannot forgive on the late Pope's behalf, but I will pray for your souls.

This is my last post here.

[sempertrad]

You dodging the points of my last post was rather predictable, but the false piety you trotted out was an amusing surprise.

See ya 'round.