Posted on 04/23/2005 12:35:40 AM PDT by Aristotle721
She'll make a good Episcopalian. They have a crucifix with "Christa" on it hanging in their cathedral in NYC. That should warm the cold stone of her feminist heart! I'm confident we won't have to deal with her in Orthodoxy.
I am not Catholic. I do not accept the Papacy as an institution - nothing to do with individuals who become Popes - but I understand what it stands for.
This woman is not a Catholic at heart. She is way too secular and political in her thinking. She is so "this-worldy" and not "other worldly" in mind. In her mind, the Catholic church and even the Papacy is to be shaped and molded by HER AND HER ILK - regardless what the institution has stood for throughout the ages under many Popes or what the Catholic church takes from Scripture.
What IS this woman's guiding star? Well, exactly what this Pope and the late Pope have said...it seems all about HER OWN PERSONAL DESIRES AND EGO, AND THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH OR STANDARD BEYOND THESE. And Scripture itself tells us about people of this nature...
"Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities. But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, 'The Lord rebuke thee'. But these rail at whasoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed. Woe unto them, for they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by wind; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved forever."
- Jude verses 8-13 -
I am talking about an attitude here, rather than making eternal judgments against specific individuals. Only God Himself can do that.
And the issue is much, much broader than the internal workings or the external image of the Catholic church. Obviously it is in my thinking, since, as I said, I am not Catholic and do not accept the Papacy.
I am glad that I don't have her mindset.
I think you've summed it up. "Liberal" Catholics have spent years building the First Church of Me. How can this woman "stay" in the Catholic Church when it sounds like she's never been a part of it anyway?
Aw, now that song by the Clash is going to be stuck in my head..."This indecision is bugging me, if you don't want me set me free..." ;-)
I live in Rochester, and this attitude prevails here. I have a decent priest though, who would not be afraid to dress down this impudent mole, should she speak up.
Well, now you made me think of that other Clash song. I'd like to Rock her Casbah, and drop the bombs between the minarets of this lady's mind.
My first boss, Fr. Bill Trott who was sure the priest shortage was the work of the Holy Spirit “The leadership of the laity will only come to full fruit when the priests are the mystics of the community.”
These guys simply are not Catholic.
if this woman were a little more intelligent, she'd realize that she's disgusting.
She wanted a "the guy" from Brazil, where a Hugo Chavez clone is helping to spread communism throughout South America, or "the guy" from Belgium, where you can walk into your local drug store and buy a do-it-yourself suicide kit. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
Then you need to be FIRED. Under JPII, people like this just went their merry "I'm a practicing Catholic but" way. Under Benedict XVI, they may be in for a surprise.
I don't understand. The Holy Spirit moves the cardinals to choose a new Pope. He chose a conservative man that will help keep His Truths intact. Liberals, instead of looking inward at their souls, look for a way out. Denial. You'd think after awhile they'd begin to question why it isn't going their way. Maybe God has other plans and they are wrong? Maybe? I hope it eventually breaks through to them. I really truly do want everyone to see the Truth. It's not always easy to accept. It can be difficult to live your life according to God's plan instead of your own.
The loyalty oaths are ignored by many "Catholic" theologians (along with the necessity for a mandatum). The CDF under Ratzinger has disciplined only a handful of theologians, not countless, and no, they haven't been burned at the stake in autos da fe, but simply told they cannot hold themselves out to be Catholic theologians. As for Archbishop Tutu, he is not even Catholic. If you would prefer an Episcopalian to be Pope, go become an Episcopalian and leave the Catholic Church to those who believe in her teachings. It is that simple.
Does that mean she used to be "in communion" with the Church, but now she's not?
Is there potentially a new schism, and roles have been reversed?
If you leave, you are always welcome to come back home to the Catholic Church.
One, holy, Catholic, apostolic
I suspect she is only a few thoughts away from believing a label of 'b*tch' would be a complement, thereby identifying with the colloquial definition of the term.
I would like to invite Nora to STFU!
Pope St. Pius X's Syllabus of Errors (Lamentabile Sane, July, 1907) and his encyclical Pascendi Domenici Gregis (August, 1907) are the high point of the papacy of recent centuries, attacking Modernism as the synthesis of all heresies. It is Modernism from which we are suffering because that World War I Pope Benedict XV was apparently intellectually or socially embarassed over Pope St. Pius X's wisdom and zeal. Benedict of World War I was also too busy persecuting Merry Cardinal del Valle to be bothered with suppressing heresy or to be bothered following in the distinguished footsteps of Pius X. We have had the followers of the excommunicated George Tyrell, SJ, burrowing as termites in the structure of the Church since the World war I Benedict took office. B-16 should reinstate Pius X's program against the Modernists ASAP and carry it out with all deliberate speed and rigor.
After a long-needed purge to take the ecclesiastical scalps of those currently running such dioceses and archdioceses as Rochester, Los Angeles, Fort Worth, Baltimore, DC, Seattle, San Francisco, Palm Beach, Johnstown-Altoona, Atlanta, and other current bastions of AmChurch and their enthusiastic clerical and lay co-conspirators, how long, O Lord, will it be before those places are cleansed so as to be reliable and safe for the practice of actual Catholicism. Of course that list is by no means exclusive. There are many more where they came from.
If not B-16, who? If not now, when? Let the tanks roll, Panzerpapa! It is for such purposes that papal authority exists.
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