Posted on 03/11/2005 5:37:50 PM PST by sionnsar
WENHAM, MA (3/11/2005)--The homoerotic bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson told parishioners at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham that while Jesus was on this earth he was only in the company of men, his disciples, and referenced that Jesus talked about the "one he loved," implying that Jesus may have been a homosexual himself.
Speaking at a Lenten service on "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" Robinson pleaded for his hearers to accept his homosexuality and asked, "Who could know Jesus?" and therefore we should accept him [Robinson]. "Jesus was not terribly mainstream."
"The sooner we get away from labels like gay and straight and that dualism…the truth is there are as many sexualities, plural, as there are sexualities in the world. There are as many sexualities as there are human beings," he told his listeners. "Labels are not helpful."
Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."
Asked by a parishioner how we teach people about sexuality with the Bible saying that marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman, furthermore what was the basis for adding on new sexualities, Robinson said, "it is a big question; it is whether or not sex is God's gift or a Pandora's Box? Is it a blessing or a curse?"
Physical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, he said.
Robinson said the message conveyed to most people was that 'sex is dirty save it for someone you love'. "I believe in abstinence before marriage or outside in a committed relationship. Our nakedness is a metaphor for how vulnerable we are. The church's teaching of sex outside of marriage is that you will be hurt unless there is a vulnerability or proven trustworthiness over time. We must respect the dignity of every human being. Marriage is a sacrament, a place where God can show up."
Questioned on how we distinguish between the church and world's view of sexuality and the enormous destruction it caused flowing from the 60s experimentation of our children with anything goes…as long as we love each other, Robinson explained that not anything goes. "We need to demonstrate real love. The world knows that the church practices serial monogamy. We need to walk the talk. What are not right are brief encounters. I don’t hear anybody preaching for promiscuity."
"My daughter wound up living with someone before marrying him. What I tried to do was keep an open conversation going with her and I had the opportunity to talk with her. I did not approve of anything goes, but nothing she did could separate my love for her. I don’t think setting down rules is helpful. I gave her an 'I' statement about what has been hurtful for me."
When asked how one could tell the difference between the ministry of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Holy Scripture or Malcolm's repressed desires, even leaving aside the seven Scriptures that speak against homosexuality or pleading subjectivism, Robinson said the key was community.
"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community. No one should be absolutely convinced that they know the will of God. We do the best we can to discern God's voice. Let's see if it bears fruit. Right now we are hearing different things. I believe [Archbishop] Akinola and I will be in heaven together. We may be apart here [on earth]. He is following the journey as far as he knows how and as I know how. We are going to be in heaven together, God won't have it any other way. We need some patience while we figure this out. We are each being as faithful as we can muster."
Pushed about how we knew whether we were being lead by the Holy Spirit or our own egos, Robinson said the key was "community."
Questioned about why the worldwide Anglican Communion based its teaching on Scripture, and can we set aside the teachings of the church as it has been handed down for new untested knowledge, Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. It is a given; the lives of gays and lesbians are the new evidence for that. Look at the pain they have suffered at the hands of the church. He said gays and lesbians were jumping off buildings because nobody understood them.
When asked what new knowledge he possessed and what was his source of his authority that a homosexual relationship can be blessed and have we reached a parting of the ways, Robinson replied by asking how many of his listeners had been divorced and remarried. "The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today. We must separate civil rights from religious rites. Marriage is a civil right, and there is marriage as a religious rite.
Nothing like bringing the Holy Son of God down to hell with you, Bishop.
This is sooo blasphemous.
What's this? My ECUSA parish invites all baptized Christians to come forward to the altar rail for Holy Communion. Is that what you mean?
So it seems.
This is easily the most absurd (not to mention heretical) statements I have ever heard!
I'm afraid you lost me on your post. I am, however, easily confused. Could you try again?
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Talk about poisoning minds!!!!!
Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. It is a given; the lives of gays and lesbians are the new evidence for that.
A bald faced lie.
Indeed!
Heck, it's the Old Testament heresies that are causing all the problems.
Robinson's doing a splendid job, however, of demonstrating why he should not be a bishop of the church. Frank Griswold's spin control team has got to be gritting their teeth in frustration.
....anyone who thought this bishop was going into this to lead a nice quiet religious life with his partner without pushing the homosexual agenda, was nuts!!!!!
Common homosexual misconception and evidence of their mental illness. They cannot distinguish sexual activity (lust) from love.
The rest of his drivel stems from this one problem and its source(s).
Shalom.
Well, isn't this lovely.
It just gets worse and worse, doesn't it?
Jesus did not rescind them all. He insisted on many being continued. One of them was to continue the role of sex within marriage.
There is a context to Jesus' response to the laws of the OT. The context has to do with their purpose in setting up the theocratic nation of Israel. For Jews, Jesus did not abolish the Law. In fact, He observed it, as did His disciples. However, Jesus fulfilled the Law by becoming a light to the Gentiles and bringing salvation to all men. To the Gentiles He still taught the truth of G-d's wisdom to men. One of those truths is almost shared by Robinson in the article - the fact that sex is meant to create a bond between a man and a woman for a lifetime. That isn't some preference of G-d's that was turned into a law. That is a fact of our nature. Nothing changes it, nor the fact that violation of the law is sin. All that changes is the forgiveness for the sin has been accomplished at the cross.
Shalom.
Who's Griswold?
anyone who thought this bishop was going into this to lead a nice quiet religious life with his partner without pushing the homosexual agenda, was nuts!!!!!
Indeed. Robinson was recruited as part of a well planned and well funded propaganda campaign:
An excerpt from "The Overhauling of Straight America"
"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed “secular humanism”).
Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."
Homosexual activists and their supporters worked quietly over the years, infiltrating the hierarchy of church and paving the way for Robinson's appointment.
Frank Griswold is the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, ECUSA.
Trainwrecks are like that.
Just remember, the Network (the 13 orthodox dioceses in ECUSA) plus some of the Continuing churches are uniting, prepared to replace ECUSA as the Anglican church in the US. Go to the site in my tagline and look up the Anglican Communion Network there. (Forward in Faith - North America is working to gather others together into this network.)
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