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Annual Spotlight on Schismatics and Fringe Groups / Persons Posing as "Real" Catholics
TCRNews ^ | 12/25/2004 | Stephen Hand

Posted on 12/28/2004 2:04:46 PM PST by CatherineSiena

While they are "Peter-ing" out to be sure, they (or their old diatribes) can still be found on the Internet here and there. Thus our Annual Sectarian Spotlight: For the real thing, there is the counterfeit. Satan makes sure of it in the Catholic and spiritual realms. In Catholic circles these are those who substitute private interpretation over the teachings of the living magisterium of the Catholic Church. Listing some of the more notorious untrustworthy guides here may help you to scratch off what is at least a waste of time and can be passed over, whether on the Internet or in publications, organizations, etc: These are men and women who show that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous for the innocent souls whose pocketbooks---er, "support"---they covet; they are professional Pope haters, utterly indifferent to the Church or the truth of the matter, they dig and sift only and always for the bad news to exploit, preferring the veneer and externals of days gone by and their own private judgement to the enduring substance of the Church's sacramental reality and teachings of which they are ignorant of even the basics; and they will confuse an abuse for the whole Church everytime, deliberately. Anything by the following persons: Thomas E. Woods, Christopher Ferrara, Michael Matt and "The Remnant", Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Fr. Kevin Vaillancourt, Malachi Martin in his later years, the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X, the Society of St. Pius V, Atila Guimaraes, Marian Horvat, "Fr. Moderator" of Traditio (this schismatic of reportedly Old Catholic lineage even refuses to give his own name on his website, though it is Morrison), John Lane, John Vennari and his Catholic Family News, Griff Ruby, Jim Vogel, Thomas Sparks, Robert Sungenis, The Seattle Catholic internet website, Walter M. Hudson, Thomas A. Droleskey, Gerry Matatics and their poor followers. We will say nothing here of those who have gone on to declare themselves pope and actually donned the homemade mitre ! We are concerned here only with those who are content to act the part and make a living or a name from theological confusion. The cure and antidote to their fools-gold are the actual teachings of the Council and Popes---esp JPII. They prefer you do anything but read the actual teachings of the Pope and Church documents! They'd prefer to interpret them for you, rather than allow the magisterium its proper competence. In this they are remarkably like the neo-modernist dissidents, whom we treat of elsewhere, and even old Herr Luther! Remember this: every schismatic that every was said that the actual Church was schismatic, and every heretic that every lived considered the Pope a heretic. It's as old as the Church herself. Schism and schismatics come and go, they live for a time, barking and howling in all directions at once, and then perish, but the Barque of Peter moves on through every storm through history toward the divine Telos appointed by Our Lord and Master, Jesus Christ, Himself. (Mt 16:18f).


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A Christmas card from the always amusing self-appointed guardian of orthodoxy...
1 posted on 12/28/2004 2:04:47 PM PST by CatherineSiena
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To: CatherineSiena
Hand has one or two valid points.

Regardless, what a sorry way to spend Christmas: Bitter bile, ruminated upon, turned over, eventually savored and sought after.

Hand is no better than the "integrists" he condemns. What a pathetic little man.

2 posted on 12/28/2004 2:10:15 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; CatherineSiena
Regardless, what a sorry way to spend Christmas

I couldn't agree more. And Thomas Woods definitely doesn't belong with the rest of that list. (Has Hand now anathematized The Latin Mass?)

3 posted on 12/28/2004 2:13:48 PM PST by gbcdoj
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To: CatherineSiena
I recognize about 4 or 5 names

Thomas E. Woods,
Christopher Ferrara,
Michael Matt and "The Remnant",
Fr. Nicholas Gruner,
Fr. Kevin Vaillancourt,
Malachi Martin in his later years,
the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X,
the Society of St. Pius V,
Atila Guimaraes,
Marian Horvat,
"Fr. Moderator" of Traditio (this schismatic of reportedly Old Catholic lineage even refuses to give his own name on his website, though it is Morrison),
John Lane,
John Vennari and his Catholic Family News,
Griff Ruby,
Jim Vogel,
Thomas Sparks,
Robert Sungenis,
The Seattle Catholic internet website,
Walter M. Hudson,
Thomas A. Droleskey,
Gerry Matatics and their poor followers.
4 posted on 12/28/2004 2:14:05 PM PST by Coleus (Let us pray for the 60,000 + victims of the tsunami and their families.)
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To: gbcdoj
Has Hand now anathematized The Latin Mass?

The Latin Mass has, within the past 2 years, taken a turn towards what Hand would call an "integrist" position. Some of the persons he declares anathema in the list above have written for The Latin Mass.

So I'd guess that Hand has indeed anathematized The Latin Mass (and has probably reserved absolution of said anathema so that it may only be lifted by Hand himself.)

5 posted on 12/28/2004 2:22:26 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; CatherineSiena; Coleus; gbcdoj
what Hand would call an "integrist" position

Anyone know if there's a web page somewhere saying 'integrism' is a heresy?

Can't be too careful, I always say.
6 posted on 12/28/2004 2:36:31 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (A thunder of jets in an open sky ... a streak of grey ... and a cheerful 'Hi!')
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To: CatherineSiena

How about you ALL just stop posting this crap. Period.


7 posted on 12/28/2004 3:48:36 PM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Today's established church: The stifling coercive theology of P.C. enforced by a secular episcopate.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Anyone know if there's a web page somewhere saying 'integrism' is a heresy?

Integrism is an invented term by frustrated Neo-Catholics. It is about as legitimate as Kwanza.

8 posted on 12/28/2004 6:12:55 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory

You're out of line.


9 posted on 12/28/2004 6:15:39 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur
You're out of line.

Why? You know exactly who I am talking about (it ain't you BTW).

10 posted on 12/28/2004 6:21:28 PM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Today's established church: The stifling coercive theology of P.C. enforced by a secular episcopate.)
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To: Grey Ghost II; seamole
Anyone know if there's a web page somewhere saying 'integrism' is a heresy?

Integrism is an invented term by frustrated Neo-Catholics. It is about as legitimate as Kwanza.


Well ... There were some French guys around 100 years ago who wanted some sort of non-modernist infected understanding of the Faith. They were called 'integrists'. There were other, political, meanings as well (see Owen Chadwick's A History of the Popes 1830-1914). The term certainly predates Vatican II and wasn't invented recently.

But, my post was because of a number of posts by freeper seamole in another thread, particularly http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1308783/posts?page=31#31.

I ought to have made it clearer that my post in this thread was meant to be humorous (see my tagline), but that would have let the air out of the balloon.

[Pinging seamole because I refer to the other thread and seamole's posts therein.]
11 posted on 12/28/2004 6:34:22 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (A thunder of jets in an open sky ... a streak of grey ... and a cheerful 'Hi!')
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To: CatherineSiena
Evidently this guy never heard of paragraphs:

  • Annual Spotlight on Schismatics and Fringe Groups / Persons Posing as "Real" Catholics

While they are "Peter-ing" out to be sure, they (or their old diatribes) can still be found on the Internet here and there. Thus our Annual Sectarian Spotlight: For the real thing, there is the counterfeit. Satan makes sure of it in the Catholic and spiritual realms. In Catholic circles these are those who substitute private interpretation over the teachings of the living magisterium of the Catholic Church.


12 posted on 12/28/2004 6:35:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CatherineSiena
A Christmas card from the always amusing self-appointed guardian of orthodoxy...

What a shocker!! A self-appointed guardian of orthodoxy!

Free Republic SAGOs (Self-Appointed Guardians of Orthodoxy) number in the triple digits, Catherine.

Perhaps you should have written "A Christmas card from another always amusing self-appointed guardian of orthodoxy".

13 posted on 12/28/2004 7:49:04 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: CatherineSiena
An Index! Traditionalists should approve!

Mr. Hand certainly has a handle on those who excite contempt for the papacy and the Church. An excellent list of what to avoid.

14 posted on 12/28/2004 8:26:44 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck

"An excellent list of what to avoid."

And what writers would you recommend?


15 posted on 12/28/2004 8:45:04 PM PST by rogator
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To: CatherineSiena
Want to see something really amusing... look on the frontpage of Hand's tcrnews2.com. There's a little blurb for an article Beware the Friends of Job:

"The Book of Job is one of the treasures of the Old Testament of the Bible. It reveals a truth about authentic spirituality to every age. The background of the Book is a dispute between Satan, whom the New Testament rightly refers to as the “accuser of the brethren” (Rev. 12:10), and God."

lol.

16 posted on 12/28/2004 9:15:17 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: reaganaut

ping to self for later read


17 posted on 12/28/2004 9:17:50 PM PST by reaganaut (Red state girl in a Blue state world (Socialist Republic of California))
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To: CatherineSiena

Thank you for your post CatherineSiena-I am sorry but did not have time to read but here is a bump,fatima


18 posted on 12/28/2004 9:28:52 PM PST by fatima (Baby Sarah better,Ed better,thank you for the prayers.)
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To: rogator
And what writers would you recommend?

Catholics don't recommend. We anathematize.

More seriously though, the only publication that I would give an imprimatur to is The Wanderer. It addresses current church and cultural issues without fomenting schism on the right, as well as exposes and criticizes modernists and their tendencies with unabashed fervor. Thomas Roeser and Frank Morris stand out.

19 posted on 12/28/2004 9:30:40 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Mike Fieschko; seamole
Well ... There were some French guys around 100 years ago who wanted some sort of non-modernist infected understanding of the Faith. They were called 'integrists'.

True. What they wanted was have long-held theological opinions be presented and taught as Doctrine.

Seamole, to answer your question "Is integrism a heresy?" Here's what Dietrich von Hildebrand, in his book 'The Devastated Vineyard', had to say:

"A short while ago, a well-known and important French theologian, who deplores the present devastation of the vineyard of the Lord, said to me that "integrists" were just as bad as "modernists"...This is obviously a great error. The narrowness of the integrists may be regrettable, but it is not heretical. It is not incompatible with the teaching of Holy Church. Therefore, it is completely senseless to place those who hold a philosophic thesis to be inseparable from Christian Revelation...on a level with those who promulgate philosophic theses which are in radical contradiction to the teaching of Holy Church...It is still a great mistake to believe that the integrists, who are pious, orthodox men, are just as dangerous to the Church as declared heretics...This attack from within is being conducted by all available means and propagated by the mass media; it is an epidemic, which growing more widespread every day. This is the real danger, a disintegration of the Church. With the integrists, on the other hand, there can be no question of such a danger."
20 posted on 12/29/2004 7:19:54 AM PST by sempertrad
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