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To: Grey Ghost II; seamole
Anyone know if there's a web page somewhere saying 'integrism' is a heresy?

Integrism is an invented term by frustrated Neo-Catholics. It is about as legitimate as Kwanza.


Well ... There were some French guys around 100 years ago who wanted some sort of non-modernist infected understanding of the Faith. They were called 'integrists'. There were other, political, meanings as well (see Owen Chadwick's A History of the Popes 1830-1914). The term certainly predates Vatican II and wasn't invented recently.

But, my post was because of a number of posts by freeper seamole in another thread, particularly http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1308783/posts?page=31#31.

I ought to have made it clearer that my post in this thread was meant to be humorous (see my tagline), but that would have let the air out of the balloon.

[Pinging seamole because I refer to the other thread and seamole's posts therein.]
11 posted on 12/28/2004 6:34:22 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (A thunder of jets in an open sky ... a streak of grey ... and a cheerful 'Hi!')
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To: Mike Fieschko; seamole
Well ... There were some French guys around 100 years ago who wanted some sort of non-modernist infected understanding of the Faith. They were called 'integrists'.

True. What they wanted was have long-held theological opinions be presented and taught as Doctrine.

Seamole, to answer your question "Is integrism a heresy?" Here's what Dietrich von Hildebrand, in his book 'The Devastated Vineyard', had to say:

"A short while ago, a well-known and important French theologian, who deplores the present devastation of the vineyard of the Lord, said to me that "integrists" were just as bad as "modernists"...This is obviously a great error. The narrowness of the integrists may be regrettable, but it is not heretical. It is not incompatible with the teaching of Holy Church. Therefore, it is completely senseless to place those who hold a philosophic thesis to be inseparable from Christian Revelation...on a level with those who promulgate philosophic theses which are in radical contradiction to the teaching of Holy Church...It is still a great mistake to believe that the integrists, who are pious, orthodox men, are just as dangerous to the Church as declared heretics...This attack from within is being conducted by all available means and propagated by the mass media; it is an epidemic, which growing more widespread every day. This is the real danger, a disintegration of the Church. With the integrists, on the other hand, there can be no question of such a danger."
20 posted on 12/29/2004 7:19:54 AM PST by sempertrad
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