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Vanity: Question about Book of Job

Posted on 11/22/2004 11:12:20 AM PST by stuartcr

I read the Book of Job this weekend, and I have a question regarding the reasoning behind Job's trials. I believe that God is all-powerful and all-knowing, which includes knowing what we are going to do. Going on this premise, my question is why did God, knowing the outcome, subject Job to all that he went through? Why did He allow satan to do the things he did to Job? The only thing I can think of, was to prove a point to Job?


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To: stuartcr
Why would He create something that bothered Him...

Do you have kids?

61 posted on 11/22/2004 12:01:32 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: stuartcr

Whatever else about Job, it's also a teaching story that decouples the prosperity has to equal being in good with God, which is what a lot of people want to think.

Job has disasters happen to him, even though he was in good with God.

Things happen. Bad stuff happens to the good and the bad alike.

If you think a prosperous person has to have the blessing of heaven upon him, which a lot of people did then, and still do, while a poor person is cursed (which is one of the reasons we sometimes want to make a poor person's poverty all their own fault, like they were sinners, which is not necessarily the truth), I refer you to the book of Job, as well as to the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man.

Did Job have to suffer this to teach us this? That's a different question.

When I am in grief and misery, I don't necessarily look to Job - I look to Calvary, and Jesus hanging on the cross.


62 posted on 11/22/2004 12:01:48 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: UsnDadof8

Isn't being the Creator of all, the same thing as causing it?


63 posted on 11/22/2004 12:03:01 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: onyx

So the details and the outcome weren't known?


64 posted on 11/22/2004 12:05:15 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Why, if the lesson isn't necessary?


65 posted on 11/22/2004 12:06:09 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
So why does it matter if people believe differently?

I'm not sure I know what you mean. Please elaborate.

66 posted on 11/22/2004 12:06:29 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis (FR = A pajama party 24/7)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Some people are gifted, and others are not?


67 posted on 11/22/2004 12:07:15 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I don't think I'm anything more than a guy with a bunch of questions.


68 posted on 11/22/2004 12:08:16 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

This really isn't that complicated. :)

I guess if you think of God as a parent, and we as the children - God knows whether we'll be good or bad, and that we may not always heed his advice. He's happy with us when we do as He'd like, and upset and/or sad when we don't, but He never stops loving us...


69 posted on 11/22/2004 12:09:02 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: Red Badger

How can anyone be dragged down, if the outcome is known, and God wins?


70 posted on 11/22/2004 12:09:11 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

I do not have the patience to read the Book of Job.

If we really have free will, God did not plan for Job to be tested?


71 posted on 11/22/2004 12:11:14 PM PST by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: stuartcr



Right.
That's my take.
God left it up to Job.
God knew Job was a good man,
and God was counting on Job
to act accordingly which he did.

God must have been pleased with Job,
and we are to try to have the faith of Job
despite misfortunes and sad events that come our way.


72 posted on 11/22/2004 12:13:01 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

I think you nailed it...


73 posted on 11/22/2004 12:14:37 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: stuartcr

The outcome is known for the demons. I, on the otherhand, have free-will and can choose for myself partnership with God or opposition to His will. I am not one of those who believe that a person's life is pre-destined. The Anabaptists of the 16th Century, John Knox, and the Calvinists argued this point ad nauseum.......


74 posted on 11/22/2004 12:14:55 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: Pete

But God already knows all about us...He created us, He knows what we are going to do, He even created our behavior, why would we need a Savior, why would He be wrathful??


75 posted on 11/22/2004 12:15:01 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Chad Fairbanks

No, but parents are not all-knowing or all-powerful, they are human, like their children.


76 posted on 11/22/2004 12:16:18 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

What does it matter what religion people are, if any? Aren't they just believing as God made them to?


77 posted on 11/22/2004 12:18:16 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Doesn't God also create the resulting action or our free-will choice? I don't understand His being upset with us doing as He designed us to.


78 posted on 11/22/2004 12:20:47 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: gortklattu

Maybe we don't really have free-will, and you were designed without patience.


79 posted on 11/22/2004 12:22:18 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: onyx

OK, thanks for a firm answer.


80 posted on 11/22/2004 12:23:23 PM PST by stuartcr
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