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Contact your bishops immediately! Liberal Bishop to Lead USCCB Liturgy Committee
Amy Welborn's "Open Book" blog ^ | 11/16/04 | GregY

Posted on 11/16/2004 11:29:34 AM PST by GregY

The bishops have apparently now voted Bishop Trautman as head of the Bishops Committee on the Liturgy. This is horrible, horrible news for those of us who are more traditional on matters liturgical. In this America article, Bishop Trautman expresses his views about the wretched oppression Rome is visiting upon the Church with its attempts to reform the liturgy.


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: 2004; bishop; catholic; conference; fall; liberal; liturgical; liturgy; reform; reverence; sacred; trautman; usccb; worship
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To: thor76
Agreed. But let me ask a humerous and at least partly rhetorical question: which would be better....to walk into the USCCB meeting opening fire with an AK-47, or wielding a butterfly net?

May God forgive me, but I vote for fatigues, and sulphur bombs.

21 posted on 11/16/2004 2:38:25 PM PST by AlbionGirl (+Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi.+)
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To: GregY
Sedavacantanism never looked so good!

Why do we waste more time, which I have been doing, waiting for things to get better.

In 1950 The Soviet Union began larding the semaries with communist agents.

Later, they were joined by homosexuals who worked in conceert with these God=less atheistic communists!

What do we have today?

Folk, clown and prancing priests on the "altar."

If Catholics today think this is not enough, then we've indeed had it!

22 posted on 11/16/2004 2:39:40 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Tantumergo

We can always count of you for perspective, erudition, and as an unidentified U.S. General expressed to Peggy Noonan (if you'll pardon my brazenness), two of 'em.


23 posted on 11/16/2004 2:43:47 PM PST by AlbionGirl (+Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi.+)
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To: Maximilian
I don't ever recall hearing about mobs chasing anyone out - unless he was one of the good guys;-)

The Church usually ended up with those in authority fixing the problem - I don't believe the Church has ever seen so many enemies at the same time in positions of authority.

Maybe nows the time to be the mob and run them out?

24 posted on 11/16/2004 2:45:16 PM PST by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: thor76

"to walk into the USCCB meeting opening fire with an AK-47, or wielding a butterfly net?"

Hmmm, let me think....! Perhaps "Preventive War Theory" would be of help here?

OTOH in order to gain a more multilateral coalition of allies in the conflict, perhaps sanctions should be used first?

I suggest a blockade of all AZT supplies to the USCCB might make them surrender without a fight!


25 posted on 11/16/2004 2:47:40 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: GregY

Do the right thing, support those who are doing it right, and say novenas to St. Charles Borromeo and all the other sainted bishops.

And be glad that Bishops are basically in control in their own diocese, and if you have a good one, praise God, and if you don't pray a lot and offer your grief up as an offering.

And know this: Time is on the side of the right, because those bishops grow ever closer to replacement, and the young men in the seminary are growing further and further away from Kumbaya, and closer to the truth of of Jesus


26 posted on 11/16/2004 2:56:36 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Tantumergo

I suggest a blockade of all AZT supplies to the USCCB might make them surrender without a fight!

Hmmm......now even I didnt think of that! I like it.

.....I can just picture the meeting hall in the Hyatt totally empty......papers still fluttering in the air from the stampeded to leave........and the silence broken only by chirping crickets...........


27 posted on 11/16/2004 3:13:10 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: GregY

bttt


28 posted on 11/16/2004 3:15:43 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: GregY
do not forget that the USCCB has NO authority -each Bishop presides over his own...

If Bishop Trautman publishes dissenting material or attempts to enforce such it will only contribute to his impending correction...

-sometimes the best way to hang one in need of hanging is to provide them plenty of rope...

29 posted on 11/16/2004 3:40:03 PM PST by DBeers
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

It might be interesting to start a website called rate the Bishops? Criteria would be based upon obedience to Rome...
The light will set us free...


30 posted on 11/16/2004 3:43:21 PM PST by DBeers
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To: GregY

Wow, Troutman and Skystad partnered up. Now that's dangerous. Well, it would be dangerous, but there is little more for them to destroy.

I say we start planting rumors in the ears of some of the bishops in hopes that they get into a catfight and scratch eachother to death.


31 posted on 11/16/2004 3:55:35 PM PST by Blessed Charlemagne (http://www.angeltowns3.com/members/romanist/index.htm)
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To: Tantumergo
Its time for trads to get militantly evangelistic!

Uhh ... you can't be serious.

Trads unite? Trads unite to bring down an NO bishop? Read some of the threads here, but be quick: the invective gets them pulled.
32 posted on 11/16/2004 4:02:37 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (Stop or I shall be forced to say stop again.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

"Please flood your bishop's office with complaints about this selection and let them know that the time for the do-it-yourself-liturgy is over."

Why?
The bishops don't give a rat's posterior what the laity want. They know better.
These guys have nothing but disdain for traditional liturgy. Trautman's selection is obviously the will of the majority.
Complaints to bishops are filed in the round file and are not worth the time it takes to write them.
If it seems like I have a bad attitude regarding the bishops, it is because I do. In my current estimation most American bishops rank well below crooked used car salesmen and ambulance chasers.


33 posted on 11/16/2004 4:07:37 PM PST by rogator
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To: Maximilian

I've said it once, and I've said it multiple times, that if the Bishop is liberal, withhold all contributions. Give to the parish, and to any other charitable organizations, but give no money to the diocese or the NCCB.

If enough concerned Catholics dried up these Bishops' funds, they might notice our displeasure.


34 posted on 11/16/2004 4:15:52 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Bork Specter)
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To: rogator

I think you meant to reply to the original poster.

Like you, with few exceptions, I think contacting these pathetic and heretical (and too often flaming homosexual) USCCB bishops is worthless.


35 posted on 11/16/2004 4:16:39 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Dollars do talk where other things don't....I know there are some collections I will not give to.


36 posted on 11/16/2004 4:23:17 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: GregY

Huge step backward from the "lets all hold hands and share a meal" wing.


37 posted on 11/16/2004 4:27:02 PM PST by etradervic (I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like...victory.)
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To: rogator

They don't care about the Holy Eucharist, and don't care about our eternal salvation. In fact, they want to alienate us from the Blessed Sacrament, by diminishing the Doctrine of the True Presence. They disdain private devotions - they focus on the horizontal aspects of the Mass to distract us from the vertical aspects, and use the Mass for the rejection of all else.

I participate in the Mass - the supreme sacrifice - in the proper sense, and what I do to keep company with God on my own time is not their business.


38 posted on 11/16/2004 4:28:05 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Bork Specter)
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To: Maximilian

"The Europeans are far ahead of us on the downward slope."

I totally agree. As bad as the US bishops may appear, they're still ultra-conservatives compared with the arch-modernists Pope John Paul has appointed to Europe.
Unfortunately, when it comes to promoting priests our pope seems to put ecumania before all else...
http://www.novusordowatch.org/churchday.htm


39 posted on 11/16/2004 4:37:28 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Good for you! Money talks.

Sometimes we are "too good" and figure "Oh, it's for the Church." We must be "ruthless," however, because it's the Faith we're defending.

The Florida Bishops won't lift a finger for Terri Schiavo's life. I posted that any Catholics living in Florida should stop contributing to their dioceses. "Oh no, we can't do THAT!" was the type of answer I received.

The US GOP Senators you'd email or phone. The lib Bishops you'd cut off at the kneecaps by withholding funds. Ya gotta make it hurt in order to cut through their hubris.


40 posted on 11/16/2004 4:40:57 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Bork Specter)
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