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PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]
CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

Posted on 11/07/2004 8:40:35 PM PST by Quix

Prophetic Signs that we are in the End Times

Contender Ministries

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The Bible gives many examples of signs that should warn us of the coming end of the age. Six such signs are given by Jesus, two characteristics are given by Paul, and eleven other occurrences are given by the prophets to occur prior to or soon after the end of the age. While we are also told we will not know the time of the End, God obviously wanted us to know when that time was getting closer. As the Christian church is increasingly drawn into the interfaith movement, and as more and more churches go into isolation, preparing to sleep through the growing attacks on their faith, perhaps God knew it would take a few signs to wake us up and remind us that we have work to do.

Unfortunately, many Christians take the verses that tell us we won't know the time of His coming to mean they should ignore any and all scripture that might warn us of this time of tribulation. Others have fallen into the trap of fearing being labeled a "conspiracy theorist" should they display an interest in the Biblical prophecies about our future on Earth. My philosophy is simple. God included it in the Bible and, since God is all knowing, we should trust that it is something we should know and study along with the rest of His Word.

It is increasingly obvious that the time of our Lord's coming is drawing near. Prophecy is being fulfilled daily, and at a faster pace than ever before. Whether you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, or believe Christians will be witness to the full tribulation, wrath, and final judgments, matters not. The beginning of birth pains and the signs of the times should have the same effect on all of us. It should motivate us to save as many souls as we can in the time that we have left. The Great Commission tells us to be disciples to all nations, bringing the message of salvation through Christ to all people. If the Church is raptured before the tribulation, it is important that we leave behind an explanation for the trials and judgments those left behind will face. How else will they recognize the deception of the anti-Christ and seek instead the truth of the Bible? If we are to endure the tribulation along side them, we will need to be prepared to not only share the message of salvation, but share with them the reasons for God's judgment and hold it up as further proof of their need to be saved.

Below is a study of the prophetic signs God gave us as a warning of the approaching end of the age. Many of them are being fulfilled now and many will be fulfilled in the near future. I would encourage you to study prophecy, know what is coming and be prepared to share it with others.

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SIX SIGNS GIVEN BY JESUS TO INDICATE HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE

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In Matthew24:3 Jesus was asked, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" Jesus told his apostles to look for the following signs prior to his second coming and the end of the age.

1. FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy. These false prophets are a prelude to the ultimate false christ, the antichrist. Many New Age groups, some even NGO's working for the United Nations, are anxiously awaiting the antichrist, preparing the way for his acceptance as the head of the hierarchy of gods and the one who will usher in world peace.

2. WARS

Matthew 24:6 "And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end."

Rumors of wars in all areas of the world now occur frequently thanks to instant media coverage and the availability of a multitude of 24-hour news sources.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

More people have been killed in warfare in this century than at any other time in history. As the death toll rises in the Middle East, more and more countries work feverishly to develop devastating weapons of mass destruction. Add to that the expanding threat of terrorism and unpredictable dictators such as Saddam Hussein, and the potential for the outbreak of war exists in nations, kingdoms and places across the globe.

3. FAMINES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

As white, Christian farmers are driven out of Africa in increasing numbers, and foreigners move in to replace life-sustaining crops with poppies that now supply 25% of the worlds drugs, famine spreads across the African continent. The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.

4. EARTHQUAKES

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."

The number and intensity of earthquakes this century is at a level higher than any other time in history. A staggering number of seismic events occur around the world daily. The earthquake seismic monitor IRIS shows all major earthquakes for the last year. Indicated by yellow and red circles, the seismic events of the last 15 days provides strong evidence of the fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 in our day. By contrast, in the years from 1890 to 1900 there was only one major earthquake in the world.

5. TRIBULATIONS

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Christians are under attack throughout the world today. In the United States Christians still enjoy freedom to worship God without suffering much more than ridicule, hatred, or discrimination at work and school. However in many other countries such as China, Sudan, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Russia, and many Muslim nations, Christian suffer much greater persecution and often times death for their faith. During the tribulation this suffering will be worldwide and will continue even to the point of martyrdom. These first 5 signs will increase in intensity and severity as the tribulation approaches, much like the birth pangs or contractions of a pregnant woman worsen as the delivery time approaches.

6. THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come."

This prophecy has already been fulfilled through television, radio, missionaries, the translation of the Bible into many languages, and the internet. People all over the world now hear the message of Christ from missionaries who have the means to travel the globe, and via technology that allows us to communicate with people on the other side of the world right from our own homes, churches and offices.

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TWO CHARACTERISTICS OF THE END OF THE AGE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL

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1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS

II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

For anyone who has watched television, read a newspaper, lost a retirement to corporate greed and corruption, or just walked outside their front door, it is obvious this prophecy has been fulfilled by our generation. Our leaders are often corrupt; our cities are filled with crime, brutality, and neon signs proclaiming our sinful, godless nature. The New Age Movement brings in increasing numbers of mystics who claim to be the enlightened ones. They are some of the most educated and influential people in our societies, and yet the most lacking in real truth.

2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)

I Timothy 4:1-3 "But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. By means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth."

Churches today are becoming more and more ecumenical, embracing the New Age interfaith agenda, and denying Christ as the only way to salvation. Giving in to the politically correct media and a corrupt society, they have embrace homosexuality as an acceptable alternate lifestyle and preach tolerance and compromise in place of God's truth for the salvation of the world. The environmentalist movement within the New Age movement lures them into a worship of mother earth, belief in past lives, reincarnation, and Karma while demonizing all those who would eat the meat God gave us as nourishment for our bodies.

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ELEVEN FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECY REQUIRED FOR THE END OF THE AGE

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1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST

Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."

An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.

2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)

Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."

Daniel 2:40-43 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have the toughness of iron, and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. And in that you saw the iron mixed with clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

The fourth kingdom of iron is the Roman empire according to Daniel's interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The two legs are the division of the Roman empire into an eastern portion called the Byzantine empire which ended in the 1400's and a western portion based in Rome which ended in the 400's. The nations of Europe since the Roman empire dissolved have never adhered or formed one empire but continue as separate nations, however, the European Union now has 15 Member States and is preparing for the accession of 13 eastern and southern European countries.

3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

4. REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE, RESTORATION OF TEMPLE WORSHIP AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM

For several end time prophecies to be fulfilled, the temple will have to be rebuilt.

Revelation 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the oly city for forty-two months."

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolation, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Some archeologists believe that the temple mount is actually 340 feet south of the Dome of the Rock site, putting the Dome of the Rock within the Court of the Gentiles. This may be the court outside the temple that is left out.

There are many groups already working on preparations for the new temple. The blueprints are already done, the temple garments have been made, and there have already been attempts to lay the cornerstone of the temple. The only thing standing in the way of the construction of the new temple is Islam's third holiest site, the Dome of the Rock and government support for such an undertaking. Some possible scenarios for the rebuilding of the temple are as follows:

1. The persuasion and performing of miracles by the Antichrist and False Prophet convinces the Islamic world to approve the rebuilding.

2. The United Nations will negotiate the rebuilding of the temple following a war with the armies from the North (Russia and Islamic forces). This assumes that the war with the armies from the North is not the battle of Armageddon as some feel and that this attack occurs before the rapture or tribulation period begins. The supernatural destruction of the Russian army and Islamic forces will cause an outpouring of Christian worship and zeal amongst the Jewish people who will reconstruct the temple.

3. It is determined that the site of the first two temples is actually south of the Dome of the Rock, and the court of the gentiles (Dome of the Rock) will be left out of the 3rd temple.

A group in Israel called the Temple Mount Faithful have obtained most of the clothing, instruments and other equipment required for temple worship and are actively preparing for the laying of the third temple's cornerstone.

5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS

Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002.

6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL

Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Billy Graham was quoted as saying, "ninety percent of all the engineers and scientists who have ever lived are alive today." Air travel, space travel, DNA research and human cloning are all examples of the rapid increase in knowledge in our generation.

7. RETURN OF THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel.

8. THE RISE OF RUSSIA

Ezekiel 38:2,4,8 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them."

In order for some end time events to occur Russia will have to be a strong nation with a strong military.

9. RETURN OF RUSSIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."

In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.

10. TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Revelation 13:16-17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

On May 10, three members of a family in Florida became the first people to receive the biochip implant. Each device, made of silicon and called a VeriChip, is a small radio transmitter about the size of a piece of rice that is injected under a person's skin. It transmits a unique personal ID number whenever it is within a few feet of a special receiver unit. VeriChip's maker describes it as "a miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications."

Is the biochip the mark of the beast to be used by the antichrist? We can't really know. What is significant is that people are being softened to the idea of a mark or an implant as a means of maintaining security, providing medical information, and regulating a more interdependent world. As attitudes change, fears subside, and people are convinced of the need for such a mark, the true mark of the beast will be easily introduced to the world by the antichrist.

11. PLANS FOR THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

The United Nations, World Trade Organization, International Criminal Court, UN peacekeeping/police force, numerous UN NGO's, and other agencies are preliminary steps to the formation of a one world government. We now have the communications technology, transportation, and the pro-globalization media necessary to usher in the one world government headed by the antichrist. The increasing terrorist threat and the middle east conflict will only speed up the formation of this governing body as fear and promises of better security make more people willing to give up their national sovereignty for global governance.

12. INSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THE WORLD

Revelation 11:3, 7-10 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophecy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

Television and the 24-hour news networks make it possible for people around the world to see the dead prophets and rejoice at their deaths.

Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place."


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To: Mogollon

Where do you find support in the bible for a mid-tribulation rapture?


1,181 posted on 12/20/2004 1:57:44 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

I fail to see . . . even given God's faithfulness to His Word . . . [HINT, HE KNOWS BETTER WHAT HE MEANT than we do in HIS Word];

I fail to see . . . . how, IF GOD OFFERS A CHOICE BETWEEN what He promised in His Word and something better, that such is contrary to His Word--especially if it's within the parameters of What HE meant in His Word vs how we humanly construed it.

Used to have a real concern about Holy Spirit being 'taken out;' during the last 3.5 years of The Great Tribulation. He that restrains etc. . . .

And that's likely a plausible interpretation . . .

But, AS David said, GOD IS ALWAYS EVERWHERE. By Him every atom and subatomic particle is sustained in it's proper functioning. And, Holy Spirit could be taken out generally but left somewhat akin to Old Testament functioning--operating in and through selected individuals.

After all, evidently there will be Believers living through the whole of Tribulation to repopulate the earth. I can't imagine God leaving them defenseless or 100% devoid of Holy Spirit.


1,182 posted on 12/20/2004 2:26:19 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: ravingnutter
"The scripture in Revelation speaks of the savior returning on a white horse followed by armies on white horses."

Thanks, but afte reading this, from the website, I lost all interest.

Revelations does not say that.

Revelations 6.8

"I looked and behold a pale horse, and his name that sat upon him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

And power was given unto them over a fourth part of the Earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger,and with the beasts of the Earth."

1,183 posted on 12/20/2004 3:25:29 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns
Here's another cunumdrum. We pretty much know Eve was led astray by a Fallen Angel. Cain was the product.

That means that these rebel angels were screwing with things long before God decided to punish them.

Testament, IMHO to His patience and perseverence.

BUT, huge, monstrous, BUT, what else was going on while the line of Adam (and David) was developing?

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the time frame between Adam and Noah, in years? We know Enoch was 365 years old when God took him.

Well, we don't KNOW that, it's what is stated.

1,184 posted on 12/20/2004 3:40:38 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns
In FWIW department

Job1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The Bible gives a specific time frame as to when the rebel angels will be stranded on Earth. Daniel's70th Week, the seven year countdown to Christ's return which has commonly been called the "Tribulation", is divided into two haves of 1260 days each.The casting down of satan, the dragon, occurs at a time in which 1260 days REMAIN.
This would put the War in Heaven and satan's defeat at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th Week, at the midpoint of the seven year countdown to Christ's return.

Rev.12:13

And when the dragon saw that he was cast out onto the earth, he pursued the woman (Israel) who bore the male child (Jesus Christ) and those redeemed by him... and the woman was given two wings like a great eagle that she might fly to a place prepared for her where she is nourished for 1,260days (3 and 1/2 years).

Satan knows that at the midpoint of the tribulation he and his "armies of the high place" will be cast down to earth, with no longer a "place still found for them in heaven."
Satan and the rebel angels will be gathered, "a gathering of prisonersin a dungeon", and the earth will be their prison. God's judgment, His wrath, will then be poured out on the earth.
Judgment is God's reason for visiting the inhabitants of the earth [the rebel angels cast out of heavenand of course the minions of antichrist].
The point where the "dwellers on high" or "the high places" are thrown to earth does not take place atthe beginning of the seven years of the last week of history, but in themidst of that seven years.
This middle point of the tribulation is when the battle in heaven between Michael and his angels, and Satan and his angels is decided.
Satan is thrown to the earth and held there to be judged in Rev. 12:7. At this point John hears a loud voice of a multitude in heaven:

Rev.12:10 NOW has come the salvation, and the power and the kingdom of our God... for the accuser of our brethren has been cast down, he who accused them beforeour God day and night.... Because of this be glad, the heavens, and you tabernacling [temporarily dwelling in them, as those raptured at the midpoint of the tribulation will come back to earth with Christ at Armageddon] in them. Woe to the earth and to the sea because the devil has gone down toyou in great wrath, knowing that he has but a short time.

This passage describes the devil as enraged, having lost his battle with Michael and the good angels and permenently been thrown out of heaven to the earth. Why would there be a battle in the heavens at this point, 1260 days into the seemingly successful reign of antichrist? The battle is the last ditch effort ofsatan to prevent mortals, men made of dirt, from being resurrected to takethe place vacated by the glorious rebel angels themselves.

Notice that both Isaiah 26 and Revelation 12 link the resurrection and the casting down of Satan simultaneously,just after 1260 days into antichrist's rule.
This fact disallows the inaccurate belief that Satan and his angels have already been cast down to earth (a Mormon contention), and theories that the rapture takes place at the beginningof the seven years or some point significantly later than the midpoint of seven years.

Isaiah 26:19-21 explains that the tribulation judgment of the earth commences at the point immediately after the resurrection of the saints.

Your dead ones shall live, my dead body; they shall rise up. Awake and sing, dust dwellers; for the dew of light is your dew; and the earth shall cast out the rapha (to be judged).

1,185 posted on 12/20/2004 3:56:55 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for your kind response . . . re the FREEPMAIL . . .

I'd love to see you post from Enoch about that and offer whatever speculations you have related to that as a sign of AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH in our era.

If you're comfortable enough doing that.


1,186 posted on 12/20/2004 7:05:30 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: concretebob

I consider Calvary satan's legal defeat.

The Resurrection proof of it.

Later events to be the dramatic illustration and manifesting in multidimensions of the final results of the victory won at Calvary.


1,187 posted on 12/20/2004 7:14:10 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: concretebob
We pretty much know Eve was led astray by a Fallen Angel. Cain was the product.

Thats a new one on me... where did you get this one?

"The scripture in Revelation speaks of the savior returning on a white horse followed by armies on white horses." Thanks, but afte reading this, from the website, I lost all interest. Revelations does not say that.

It does... your in the wrong chapter. Try 19:14


1,188 posted on 12/20/2004 8:33:27 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns
Enoch...the Bible sanitized the incident. Cain was Abel's half-brother.

I thought everyone knew that.

And the third was named Gadreel: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed [the weapons of death to the sons of men] the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons 7 of death to the children of men. And from his hand they have proceeded against those who dwell 8 on the earth from that day and for evermore

1,189 posted on 12/20/2004 8:57:18 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns

I stand corrected. Thank you.


1,190 posted on 12/20/2004 9:01:12 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix
So whaddaya think? Me and AG totally round the bend right?
On the edge, ready for the rubber rumpus room?
Anyone who believes that, is crazy, right?
1,191 posted on 12/20/2004 9:05:34 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix
Q, I've posted whole chapters from Enoch on this board.
I'll post anything you care to read.
1,192 posted on 12/20/2004 9:09:31 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix; concretebob
Thank y’all so much for the pings and further explanations! Now I’m ready to get back to concretebob's question:

What was happening during the time of Noah, that only ocurred during the time of Noah that is happening now?

In the Scriptures, Christ describes the time of Noah which will be the same when He returns:

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. – Matthew 24:36-42

The entire passage is framed with the point that noone except the Father knows when Christ will come. And the passages explain that His coming will be unexpected as it was in the days of Noah - they weren’t expecting the flood, i.e. utter annihilation.

The circumstances that led to the judgment of the flood can never be repeated. The Watchers were angels appointed to look after man but who instead slept with mortal women and produced giants who had a horrific blood lust. They also taught men and women forbidden arts dealing with warfare, etc. In the Noah judgment, the Watchers were imprisoned for the coming final judgment. The “giants” were stripped of their physical bodies and became the demons (evil or unclean spirits).

The Scriptures – the canon – only alludes to the story which is more fully described in the book of Enoch. Here is what the Scriptures say:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. – Genesis 6:1-4

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. – Jude 1:6

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; - 2 Peter 2:4-5

If we consider the full account in Enoch (as Jude and Peter allude to above) - then we see that it would take angels breeding with women and giving birth to giants to repeat the pre-Flood offense. But the angels who did this are imprisoned for the final judgment for their conduct, so what other angels would dare do it again? And if they did, where are their offspring, the flesh eating giants?

1,193 posted on 12/20/2004 9:11:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: concretebob

Reference please... I havn't read that.


1,194 posted on 12/20/2004 9:16:16 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Quix
1 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being
2 shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven.
3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause
4 before the Most High."' And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the
5 ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all
6 things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which
7 men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the
9 women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have
10 borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are
11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'
1,195 posted on 12/20/2004 9:21:46 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Safrguns
Sorry, I got nothing but discussions with friends and suppositions.
I know what Genesis says, I also know it is incomplete.
I have always thought that the story of Eve being tempted, and succumbing to temptation, was an analogy for a sexual liason with one of the rebel angels.
Just an opinion, and I will preface future statements as such.
1,196 posted on 12/20/2004 9:30:59 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix
But the angels who did this are imprisoned for the final judgment for their conduct, so what other angels would dare do it again?
but suppose He didn't get them all the first time, or last time?
Enoch only says God took Azazel and Samjaza and a few other of the leaders.
Some were still around in Christ's time, says so in the New Testament, and it's for sure Satan was on the ground, in the wilderness, because he tried to tempt Christ.
See, this is where it gets confusing.
Christ cast out some demons, "We are legion", threw them into some pigs and ran them off a cliff.
Where did they come from?
BTW a legion is roughly 4,000, by Roaman standards.
and why did they beg Christ not to cast them into the darkness?
1,197 posted on 12/20/2004 9:40:32 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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To: Quix
This is probably the most descriptive section, except for Chapters 68 & 69

1 Enoch Chapter 10

1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech,
2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come
3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape
4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening
5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may
6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the
8 Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted
9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in
10 battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and
11 that each one of them will live five hundred years.'And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves
12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is
13 for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and
14 to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all
15 generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because
16 they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.
17 And then shall all the righteous escape, And shall live till they beget thousands of children, And all the days of their youth and their old age Shall they complete in peace.
18 And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and
19 be full of blessing. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield
20 ten presses of oil. And cleanse thou the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrought upon the earth
21 destroy from off the earth. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations
22 shall offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.

The son of Lamech is naturally Noah. It is thought that the major source of the first part of the Watchers narrative (chs 6 -- 11) was a now lost book of Noah. In fact, Enoch doesn't make his abrupt entrance into the Watchers narrative until ch 12.This chapter keeps the various strands of the narrative

1,198 posted on 12/20/2004 9:48:30 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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Demons and fallen angels... two completely different animals.
Legion requested not to be cast into the pit which is the very depths of hell where pain and suffering are maximized.
1,199 posted on 12/20/2004 9:48:36 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix
Alright, supposing God missed a few. Genesis says they were "ancient men of renown, of whom legends are told."
They are powerful in their own right.
But "legends", "ancient men" inplies they were old during Noah's time.
Sumerian legends tell stories of great battles between forces of good and evil.
Sounds like the same events, in different ages, happening over and over.
Just my opinion.

Of course, there are also translations that pre-date Sumerian texts, that describe aircraft.

1,200 posted on 12/20/2004 9:57:03 PM PST by concretebob (but what do I know, I'm just an ignorant peasant)
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