Maybe the inquisition wasn't such a bad idea?
We shall see if the RCC fears God or men.
A strategic move in waiting until after the election, to commence this assault against Catholic morals.
Saves Mr. Kerry from having to make a stand which would either against his most rabid supporters or against the great majority of Catholic faithful.
A strategic move in waiting until after the election, to commence this assault against Catholic morals.
Saves Mr. Kerry from having to make a stand which would either against his most rabid supporters or against the great majority of Catholic faithful.
http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/images/glfmlogo.gif
The official logo for the Diocese of Cleveland Gay and Lesbian Ministry [Warning: This is not a joke]:
Go see for yourself:
http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/mission/index.htm From previous stories on Bishop Pilla:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1060132/posts
In March, 2002, about two years after leaving the diocese, Charlie [the bishop's former lawyer] says he met again with Bishop Gries. I met with Bishop Roger and I told him as a friend that he needed to tell Pilla to step down. That's all I said.
I prod him to continue. Because of the manner in which all of this had been handled.
Charlie later says, The thing that really fried me was the way the church in Cleveland has agreed to infanticize' Anthony. It's like he's a child. Oh, he didn't know this, he didn't know that.' Wait a minute, oh merciful God. Then what's he in charge of one million Catholics for? Yes, Quinn did crazy stuff, but he was a lieutenant, you are the general. Why didn't you stop it?
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/762432/posts
The following appeared in "The Wanderer's" From the Mail Section.:
In Cleveland, which has been racked with the most damaging sex abuse scandals outside of Boston and Los Angeles, diocesan officials, including Bishop Anthony Pilla, maintain a stiff upper lip as some homosexual activists in the chancery and parishes continue to transform parishes into gay-friendly communities. Consider:
The Diocese of Cleveland's official web site (www.dioceseofcleveland.com) greets the viewer with a rainbow flag, and gay activists at the diocese's Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry (GLFM) office are way out and way proud.
One member of the GLFM recorded his experience on an area gay web site of his participation in the Cleveland Gay Pride Parade, informing, "The catholic group had a very nice sized contingent. There were a whole ton of other religious groups as well...Oh, did I mention that I am in the same video as a pornstar?!...Our table was almost across from The Grid's table, so we got to watch Matt Rush shirtless signing autographs and posing for pictures most of the afternoon. I felt so uncouth ogling a pornstar and trying to be a respectable representative of the Catholic Diocese of Cleveland...
"The Stonewall Democrats had the booth next to The Grid, and they had some mighty fine shirtless guys sitting at their table, too. After we took down our table at the pride festival, seven of us from the Catholic group went out to dinner...We also had the same waiter that we had last time...the cute one with attitude."
The author of that revealing letter is the apparent friend of Brian Halderman, a longtime gay activist of the Diocese of Cleveland who recently announced that he is joining the Society of Mary (Marianists) in Dayton.
In another Internet chat thread sent to FTM by a Cleveland reader, Halderman revealed that while a parishioner at Ascension Church (a church plagued by a number of predator priests), he was a chatechist involved in the sacramental preparation of second graders.
Reader, does all this help you understand what bishops such as Clark and Hubbard and Pilla mean by the "lay-run church.
You can contact the diocese of Cleveland toll free at 1-800-869-6525 or by e-mailing:
info@dioceseofcleveland.org
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The following exchange appeared in an article on a gay convicted priest here in Cleveland. [Note: Burkhart is a gay detective and McBride is the gay priest]: Burkhart and McBride dined on crab cakes and chatted lightly. After dinner, McBride turned the conversation to the recent Catholic Church scandal. He hoped that, when it was all over, the church would recognize that priests are sexual beings too -- and that some are gay.
"Back in the 1960s, would you have ever come to a place like this?" Burkhart asked. "I mean, in this town, where you were working?"
"Probably not, no," McBride said. "Realistically, in 1960, no."
"And in certain places it looks like the seminary on Saturday night now," Burkhart joked.
"Yeah, that really is how it is," McBride said.
They compared notes on seeing clergy in gay bars. Then Burkhart stammered as he asked McBride a personal question: "So, whenever you had sex . . . were you bound to go to confession and confess it before you said Mass, or . . .?"
"Well, you were supposed to, yes," McBride said.
"Do you think all these priests do?"
"No," McBride said. "I think they changed their minds and decided it's not a sin."
The full article can be found at this link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/992919/posts
So Soulforce is set once again to demonstrate against the Catholic Church at the US Catholic bishops' conference and Catholic chanceries across the nation this November, intimidating Catholic believers, threatening the free exercise of religion and demonizing Catholic beliefs on the sinfulness of homosexual activity and opposition to same sex "marriage" falsely as "spiritual violence" against those with same sex attraction. This is not true. Christianity tells us to love the sinner and hate the sin.
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Barf alert for sure. Triple bagger.
It would be much better for these miserable dysfunctional people to be honest atheists than false Catholics. They are taking real words and truths and torturing them into perversion.
The word (and concept) SIN ought to make a comeback. It fell into disfavor some years ago, it's almost as bad as "mother" in Brave New World. Currently, nothing is a sin except not embracing sexual perversion.
I am truly offended and nauseated.
Let SCRIPTER and me know if you want on or off this pinglist becuase:
NOTE - I will be gone from FR (sniff) for around 2 weeks while my computer gets reincarnated. I may be able to check in now and again but nothing regular. Starting in a couple of days.
Why did you "hit-and-run" post this?
I'll pray for their anthropocentric souls, but they need to do some praying too...start right after reading Dante. Focus on the seventh circle...
"Soulforce, Inc. is a national interfaith movement committed to ending spiritual violence perpetuated by religious policies and teachings against gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender individuals."
"spiritual violence" = Truth...
"teachings against gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender individuals" = God's teachings -teachings not morally relative...
"soulforce" = fleshforce = selfish pursuit of sin force...
If you don't want to belong to a Church that teaches that sodomy is wrong, change churches.
Don't ask for support in endorsing your weakness.
Do you really expect the Church to subject each of the 10 Commandments to a majority vote?
If they did, would it change God's perspective?
Seems to me they have his derriere backwards.
Soulforce might do well to recognize that two edged sword that is capable of piercing even between the joints and marrow separating even the soul and spirit. A soul force separated from an indwelling Holy Spirit is identified with those things good for nothingness. A place has already been created for fallen angels where such good for nothingness will reside in eternity future.
"We are praying for these bishops to follow in the footsteps of Oscar Romero, who gave his life to stop the violence against the Salvadoran people"
Perhaps these lost souls should pay some attention to the teachings of Bishop Romero
" A church that suffers no persecution but enjoys the privileges and support of the things of the earth - beware! - is not the true church of Jesus Christ. A preaching that does not point out sin is not the preaching of the gospel. A preaching that makes sinners feel good, so that they are secured in their sinful state, betrays the gospel's call." (1/22/78) -- Salt of the Earth's remembrance of Archbishop Oscar Romero
The American Catholic Church had just better begin ignoring all groups engaged in homosexual agenda activities! With the relevancy of that body poised to fall even deeper due to homosexuals at the altar there needs to be some serious distancing.