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To: missyme

So Soulforce is set once again to demonstrate against the Catholic Church at the US Catholic bishops' conference and Catholic chanceries across the nation this November, intimidating Catholic believers, threatening the free exercise of religion and demonizing Catholic beliefs on the sinfulness of homosexual activity and opposition to same sex "marriage" falsely as "spiritual violence" against those with same sex attraction. This is not true. Christianity tells us to love the sinner and hate the sin.


12 posted on 10/24/2004 4:14:45 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
This is not true. Christianity tells us to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Outside of the liberal teachings of our day, where does it say that? Its a slogan that I was never taught pre Vatican 2 and with good reason I think. These days, such thinking leads to either hating both or loving both. And since any hating of the sin automatically will get the hater accused of "judging", that leaves only room for the socially acceptable loving both the sinner and the sin.

The other thing is, in the process of loving the sinner, somehow the messaage got all screwed up that we hate the sin and find it detestable. The modernist folks and obstinate sinners love to tout that slogan and push it as though it were words to live by, but it seems to me that because of that slogan, we do not hate the sin for if we did hate the sin, we would not support the sinner in it - at the absolute very least, we would discourage the sinner from publicly declaring it - no?

Another reason that slogan is so popular is because today, the overwhelming emphasis is on all that "love thy neighbor" crap thats taken completely out of context - in the mean time, no one is teaching that the love of God is our primary endevor, and with that love will come our love of neighbor.

Jesus says: "Thou shall love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind." (Matt. 22:37.) Before He passes to the second commandment, Jesus tells us about the first:

"This is the greatest and the first commandment."

Do not touch one single phrase of the next commandment until you have fully comprehended and understood this first one!

Our Lord then goes on: "And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Matt. 22:39.)

In their haste to fulfill the second commandment, which, btw, includes the proper reprimanding of the obstinate sinner as necessary, too many people, including our clergy, neglect the first - and greatest commandment. Reprimanding is not hating, regardless of what the sinner has to say about it.

14 posted on 10/24/2004 4:59:56 PM PDT by Stubborn (It Is The Mass That Matters)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Psalm 5:5: (David, speaking to God) "The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence. You hate all who do wrong." Proverbs 12:22: "The Lord detests those who lie, but delights in men who are truthful."
The slogan "God hates the sin but loves the sinner" is not in the Bible. God only loves the REPENTANT sinner. The unrepentent sinner is an abomination to a holy God.


20 posted on 10/24/2004 7:43:29 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Unam Sanctam
Christianity tells us to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Was God's act of turning Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes an act of "loving the sinner"?

63 posted on 10/25/2004 4:46:40 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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