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Leak From Lambeth Report Indicates Griswold In Deep Trouble [Episcopal]
Virtuosity ^ | 10/10/2004 | David Virtue

Posted on 10/12/2004 4:52:52 PM PDT by sionnsar

The Chancellor to the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, David Booth Beers, has called for a special meeting of all the ECUSA Diocesan Chancellors, and has set the date for October 20 in Orlando, Florida at the World Center Marriott two days after the Lambeth/Eames report is due out in London.

According to an orthodox bishop who spoke to Virtuosity on the grounds of anonymity, Beers will be doing "damage control" for his boss Frank Tracy Griswold. Several sources told Virtuosity that this is the first meeting of all chancellors ever.

"It looks like Griswold is in serious trouble," said the bishop.

Griswold has already seen the report as he will post his response to it immediately after the report is released on October 18 and he has apparently set in motion wheels to prevent wholesale departures from The Episcopal Church.

"He knows it is bad news for him and he wants to get ahead of the orthodox and his revisionist bishops to tighten down the Episcopal Church," said the source.

Clearly Beers has one objective. He will use his position as national chancellor and Griswold's personal attorney to strike fear into diocesan chancellors. What he will say is this. If you don't hold the line on the properties of fleeing priests who think they can take their properties with them, be assured I will come down on you like a ton of bricks and invoke the Dennis Canon and sue you.

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(Excerpt) Read more at virtuosityonline.org ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: anglican; apostasy; deepdoodoo; ecusa; episcopal; episcopalian; heresy; heretics
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1 posted on 10/12/2004 4:52:52 PM PDT by sionnsar
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To: ahadams2; sionnsar; newheart; AFPhys; Adler; AdrianneTruett; AnAmericanMother; ...

This is the Traditional Anglican ping list, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams, aka ahadams2.

FReepmail me if you want on or off this list.

Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com
2 posted on 10/12/2004 4:54:44 PM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: Tune in. Turn on. Ignore doubt | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: sionnsar

How does clark get involved in these things?


3 posted on 10/12/2004 4:56:51 PM PDT by pipecorp ("never know where you're going till you get there." the philosopher Insectus Harem)
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To: sionnsar

Thanks for the post and the ping.

I keep hearing that a lot of the Bishops who voted for the dark side are considering retirement to escape the hell on earth that they have created.


4 posted on 10/12/2004 4:57:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: pipecorp

clark?


5 posted on 10/12/2004 5:00:27 PM PDT by sionnsar (Cbs: Tune in. Turn on. Ignore doubt | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

I didn't realize his Griswalds middle name is "Tracy". hmmmm


6 posted on 10/12/2004 5:02:09 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: sionnsar
Thanks for the Ping, Sionnsar. Los Angeles Diocese' Bishop Bruno put the hammer down in similar fashion in his letter mass-mailed to all local parishes.

This is not happy news. Just this morning I was contemplating if it would be better to jump ship and join a conservative, traditional Lutheran, Presbyterian or Congregational parish.

7 posted on 10/12/2004 5:02:49 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bonfire

Maybe he changed it from Brucie.


8 posted on 10/12/2004 5:03:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: sionnsar
Wasn't that the Lambeau Report?

- JFK
9 posted on 10/12/2004 5:16:18 PM PDT by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours!)
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To: bd476
Sionnsar's "Traditional Anglican" page contains many links to conservative Anglican province church locators. You should be able to find a conservative Anglican church in or near Los Angeles. Here's the link
10 posted on 10/12/2004 5:31:08 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: sionnsar
1Cr 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1Cr 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1Cr 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

1Cr 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

1Cr 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1Cr 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded?

1Cr 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1Cr 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

1Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

1Cr 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.

1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

11 posted on 10/12/2004 5:36:47 PM PDT by AndrewC (I also think that Carthage should be destroyed. - Cato)
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To: Fifth Business; sionnsar

Wow, that's a great link, Fifth Business and Sionnsar! Thank you!


12 posted on 10/12/2004 5:41:49 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

In the name of all that is Holy, why would you do something like that? If you can't find enough like-minded folks to join you and plant your own orthodox Anglican parish affiliated with the AMiA or some other continuing Anglican Province, then search out an existing one within commuting distance. In case you've not been listening, the Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and just about every other mainline denomination, are all playing patta-cake with the homosexual lobby and will eventually find themselves in exactly the same state as ECUSA. You've been "listening" to this crap for the last 20 years...there's probably another 10 years of "listening" before these other mainliners get to where ECUSA is today. Is that what you really want - another 10 years of fence-sitting and keeping your mouth shut so that no one accuses you of being homophobic?


13 posted on 10/12/2004 7:29:15 PM PDT by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: torqemada
Your passion is very refreshing and quite nice, Torqemada.

There's not much I can say in response except maybe I've been caught up in choosing between lifelong tradition and my desire to hear the word of God in Church rather than politics and pc commentary from the pulpit.

14 posted on 10/12/2004 7:48:04 PM PDT by bd476
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To: torqemada; bd476
If you're at the "high" end of the spectrum, may I suggest inquiring into your local Catholic parish and diocese? Our transition from ECUSA to the Catholic Church was quite painless.

We are fortunate here to have a completely orthodox archbishop who is not shy about laying down the law on homosexual marriage, pro-abort politicians taking Communion, etc. etc. and an old-fashioned Irish dreadnought priest with no biggod nonsense about him.

Of course, if you're unfortunate enough to be in a parish that's been taken over by the Kum-by-yah crowd or the short-haired "nuns", it's a different story. So you have to check.

15 posted on 10/12/2004 8:02:10 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

ha! what are short-haired nuns?


16 posted on 10/12/2004 8:47:11 PM PDT by altura (Kerry & Edwards make me long for the old Clinton-Gore days.)
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To: altura
No offense to the cloistered nuns who have cut their hair in accordance with their vows.

That was a shorthand reference to the radical lesbian-feminist cadre who are trying to bring female priests into the Catholic church. No thanks - been there, done that with the Episcopalians.

As a young college grad, I was all in favor of "priestesses" in the ECUSA - but personal experience changed my mind. Our former ECUSA parish was a "training parish" where young ordinands did a year or two of service at the largest parish in the diocese before striking out on their own as rectors or assistant rectors in smaller churches. So I saw every woman ordained in the Diocese of Atlanta over a period of about 20 years. With a single exception, none of them were qualified - most couldn't preach, couldn't counsel, and couldn't perform their priestly functions properly. Many were neurotics looking for self-therapy, many were radical feminists who didn't have a "call" except to spread their political agenda, one was an actual lesbian living with another woman (at least they fired her, but times have changed, they probably wouldn't fire her now). The only one who was a decent pastor is 100 percent behind the homosexual "bishop" - no doubt influenced or browbeaten by her more radical sisters.

I feel very strongly about this - and a couple of well-meaning Catholic laymen and women in our new parish who were thinking that maybe ordaining women wouldn't be such a bad idea got an earful!

17 posted on 10/12/2004 8:58:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: torqemada

Lutherans are not playing "patta-cake" with the homo lobby. While there are heretics who might claim to be Lutheran, they do not represent the orthodox church of believers.


18 posted on 10/12/2004 9:26:07 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sionnsar
For the Anglican Freepers, in preparation for the Orlando meeting:

ALMIGHTY and everlasting God, who by thy Holy Spirit didst preside in the Council of the blessed Apostles, and hast promised, through thy Son Jesus Christ, to be with thy Church to the end of the world; We beseech thee to be with the Council of thy Church to be assembled in thy Name and Presence. Save them from all error, ignorance, pride, and prejudice; and of thy great mercy vouchsafe, we beseech thee, so to direct, sanctify, and govern them in their work, by the mighty power of the Holy Ghost, that the comfortable Gospel of Christ may be truly preached, truly received, and truly followed, in all places, to the breaking down the kingdom of sin, Satan, and death; till at length the whole of thy dispersed sheep, being gathered into one fold, shall become partakers of everlasting life; through the merits and death of Jesus Christ our Saviour.

(JL, who was educated in an Anglican school, and still considers the King James Bible and the Book of Common Prayer to be the greatest and most inspired works ever written in the English tongue.)

19 posted on 10/13/2004 2:08:35 AM PDT by John Locke
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To: AnAmericanMother

Very good advice.


20 posted on 10/13/2004 2:17:14 AM PDT by oceanperch ( Mt. St. Helens is nothing compared to the stuff Kerry spews.)
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