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WHO ARE THE KENITES? islamic facist killers are the blood line of Cain!!!!!
08/05/04

Posted on 09/05/2004 5:20:47 AM PDT by repub32

Who Are The Kenites?

1Chronicles 2:55 1Ch 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, [and] Suchathites. These [are] the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

This word Kenites in the Hebrew is the Strong's Concordance number 7017 and 7014. Below are the meanings of this word in the Hebrew.

7017--patron. from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.

7014-- the same as 7013 ( with a play upon the affinity of 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also a place in Pal. and of an Oriental tribe: -Cain, Kenites.

Cain in the Hebrew is 7014 also which further denotes the fact that we are speaking of Cain the first child the father of the kenites.

That is why 7017 says a member of the tribe of Kajin which is Cain. Cain is the father of the kenite tribe or family.

With that being said and clarified, lets now go on further and check out just who is the father of Cain and you will begin to see why he was so evil and could kill / murder his brother Abel. As well as why the kenites / those who claim to be of our brother Judah or a Jew and or not could kill Christ.

Genesis 3:1-16

Who is Cain's Father? Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

This word serpent in the Hebrew means a hiss of a snake or a whisper or magic spell and enchanter.

Subtil means more cunning and crafty usually in a bad sense.

This serpent is none other than Satan himself, as noted in 2Corinthians 11:1-3 below where the word serpent in the Greek means satan and these very verses are referring to what happened here in Genesis 3 with Eve. And how satan beguiled or holy seduced and slept with Eve, for the word beguiled in the Greek means to Holy seduce.

2Corinthians 11:1-3 2Cr 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in [my] folly: and indeed bear with me. 2Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Even Paul taught about what happened between Eve and satan. He knew she was seduced by satan.

Satan is asking Eve [for snakes cannot talk] hath God said ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Bear in mind trees in the bible are symbolic of people.

In this garden we had trees good for food, as well as the tree of life [ which is Christ] and also the the tree of knowledge of good and evil [satan], as noted in Genesis 2:9.

Satan is going to tempt Eve to disobey God, just as he will us today if we do not stay sharp in God's word. Satan is a charmer who will attempt to charm you with lies that sound so right, yet they do not align with God's word.

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

This is speaking of satan / the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as noted in Genesis 2:16-17. Only satan could teach one evil ways. And satan is very wise and knows God's word better than most christians. only problem is he twist God's word to mislead people, as he attempted to do to Christ in Matthew 4. Even satan knows there is but one God, as noted in James 2:19 and trys to keep people uneducated about that one true God.

This word touch in the Hebrew means to lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman). Listening to satan's lies kills one spiritually to understanding the true word of God. We will see further on in this chapter that Eve did not eat an apple, but rather slept with satan and from that came Cain. This is why Cain is not mentioned in Adam's geneology in Genesis 5. Abel isn't mentioned for he was murdered and did not live long enough to produce an offspring. Cain has his own geneology in Genesis 4:16-24.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Here we have satan tempting and trying to charm Eve to disobey God's word telling her you won't die like God said you would. This is satan's MO [ method of operation]. He is a charmer and trys to say it is o.k. if we twist God's word a little here and a little there so we can do as we like. Watch out. Do not be fooled by satan and only believe God's word.

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Satan is lying here. For to listen to satan and his lies, closes ones eyes to the truth of God's word and makes one listen to evil instead of God and that which is good.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Eve allowed satan to snow her under with lies and she found him to be one handsome dude. She not only listened to satan's lies, but slept with him also as you'll see in a few more verses for their is a conception spoken of in a few more verses. He not only deceived Eve, but slept with Adam also [in my opinion]. For there is no mention of Adam knowing [sleeping with] Eve until Genesis 4:1, which took place AFTER she slept with satan and conceived Cain. Eve gave birth to twins and they had different fathers. This still today is medically possible and has happened. Lets take a closer look at Genesis 4:1-2.

Gen4:1 AND Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

When Eve gave birth she had twins. Cain was born first from Eve's first conception with satan. Yes she did get a child from the LORD, for all babies are a gift from God, but this does not change the fact that Cain was satan's son, as we will further document in this study.

Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Again in the Hebrew means she continued in labour. So here we see that Cain and Abel were twins with different fathers. That is why Cain was so evil and could kill his own brother.

It was not eating an apple that made God angry [no apple even mentioned here], but Adam and Eve listening to satan's lies sleeping with satan. Satan through this was trying to corrupt the seedline in which Christ would come through to attempt to disrupt God's overall plan of salvation and Christ being born.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

They were not trying to cover their mouth, but their private parts to attempt to cover up what they had done.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Trying to cover their sin.

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.

Adam confessed to knowing he was naked and that he was afraid of God for he had partook of the tree God told them not to touch.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

God is coming down on Adam for being disobedient to Him and listening to satan and allowing satan to deceive them. Just as today God does not like it when we allow satan to mislead us with false doctrine, that causes us to whore around with traditions of men instead of God's word.

Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Here we have Adam explaining why he slept with satan and was seduced by him. Adam here saying Eve talked me into it. LOL Trying to place all the blame on Eve. If someone misleads us, it is because WE ALLOW IT to happen. Still Adam should not have fallen for it. Never go with the majority and ALWAYS study God's word and think for yourself.

Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Here we have Eve explaining to God that satan had seduced her, which is what beguiled means. This is also what Paul was warning us of in 2Corinthians 11:1-3.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Here we have God coming down on satan for seducing Eve. This just means satan is lower than a snakes belly. He is cursed and never going to amount to anything for he will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed here means child in the Hebrew. We know it is not physical seed like to plant in a garden, for seeds in a garden do not have enmity towards one another but flesh children do. This is why Cain hated and killed Abel. He was satan's seed / child. Abel was Eve and Adam's child. Also this refers to the fact that Christ would come through the lineage of Adam and Eve down the line and that satan through Cain's offspring the Kenites would bruise Christ heel on the cross and kill him. And in the end of this final generation Christ will throw satan into the lake of fire and use His elect to bruise satan's head by teaching God's word / truth to refute satan's lies.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Here we have conception mentioned. God is going to allow her to be pregnant by this evil one. Remember she has yet to sleep with Adam.

Now we will go to St.John to further document who Cain's offspring were.

St.John 8:33-47 Jhn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

This word continue in the Greek means to abide or dwell in. Christ is telling those of Judah as well as us today who do believe in Him and abide in His word, that they are His disciples indeed. However, there are the Kenites who claim to be of Judah or Jews, but are not but are of satan, as noted in Revelation 2:9 to the church of Smyrna below:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Those who seek God's word and follow Christ the Living Word, shall know the truth and shall be free from deception and lies that put some in bondage.

Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Here we have the ones who claim to be of Judah the Kenites answering Christ back. They are in bondage all right to satan. Just as man today by false teaching have been put in bondage and do not realize it and think they are in good standing with God.

Jhn 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Jhn 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.

Christ is the Living Word and it is forever and never changes, as noted in Hebrews 13:8.

Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jhn 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

I feel this should be translated I know YE SAY ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

For the next few verses from Christ will make that clear, for Christ himself is about to tell us these are not of God, but of satan.

These are Kenites sons of Cain the first murderer. Looks like murder is a family trait doesn't it?

Jhn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Notice the capitial F in Father for God and the small f in the second father denoting not God, but satan. Christ is saying your traits are that of satan your father.

Notice here that these kenites sons of Cain off spring of Satan's son, are trying to convince Christ himself they are of God. Don't think if they tried this with Christ himself, that they want go around to this day claiming to be Jews or christians of God and do satan's work. This is their MO [method of operation].

Jhn 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

By their fruits ye shall know them. If they do not the works of God and those God sent that taught God's word, then they are not of God. Christ wasn't stupid and did not fall for their lies. And neither should we today. Not all false teachers are Kenites, but some false teachers have merely been deceived by the Kenites teaching and think it is God's word, so therefore they continue to help spread the lies.

Jhn 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Christ knew they wanted to murder Him. They could lie all they wanted to, but Christ could read their mind. Abraham nor any of the children of God would have sought to kill Christ. Only someone of satan's offspring would want to do such a thing.

Jhn 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.

Here we have Christ for the 2nd time confronting them telling them exactly who they are. Just as we today should study God's word, and know what does and does not align with God's word, whereby noone can mislead us.

Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Again Christ calling a spade a spade. If they loved God they would have also loved His only begotten Son. They did not love Christ but wanted to murder Him.

Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

This word hear in the Greek means to hear God's word with understanding. They could not understand Christ speech/ word, because they were not of God, as Christ himself is about to tell us in the next verse.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here Christ tells them for the 3rd time for emphasis that they ARE NOT of God, but are of their father satan in the sense that Cain's father was Satan. He/ Cain was the first murderer in the beginning. Satan and his son Cain and Cain's offspring the Kenites are liars, as stated here by Christ the Living Word Himself.

Jhn 8:45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

Liars usually do not accept the truth.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Christ commited no sin. These were trying to find a reason to kill Him to make themselves look squeaky clean and innocent. See how subtil and cunning satan and his offspring are. They lie and swear it is the truth and twist God's words. They kill many spiritually today by teachings lies instead of God's word. This is why one should always check ALL men out in God's word and allow noone to mislead you. There are still Kenites out there and then there are those who teach falsely who have themselves been mislead by the Kenlies and do not realize it.

Jhn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.

There for the fourth time Christ tells them and us today they are not of God. They are murderers. Offspring of the devil and sons of Cain the first murderer.

1John 3:11-12 1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1Jo 3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

This verse 12 here states specifically that Cain was of that wicked one which is none other than satan. This is why Cain could murder Abel. For he was the son that wicked one and was wicked also. The wicked one is satan.

Revelation 2:8-9 Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Here Christ tells us that there are some / Kenites who claim to be of Judah or Jews, and are not, but are of Satan and are Satan's offspring which would be the sons of Cain / Kenites, for Cain was satan's son and the Kenites are the offspring of Cain. This will be further documented in the verses below that cover the parable of the tares.

Revelation 3:9 Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Here again a 2nd witness from Christ that indeed there are some who claim to be Jews and are not but are of satan.

Last but not least Christ also warned us of these offspring of satan in the parable of the tares, as noted in Matthew 13:24-30 and Matthew 13:36-43.

Matthew 13:24-30

Parable Of The Tares Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

This word seed in the following verses in the Greek means :

#4690. Sperma; something sown, seed (including the male "sperm"); by implied offspring; specifically a remnant (fig. as if kept over for planting): issue, seed.

We are talking about the sperm / seed planted in the garden with Eve and satan as you will see when we finish this parable of the tares.

Tares are symbolic of the Kenites, who claim to be Jews or children of God and are not but are of satan.

Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Enemy in the Greek means:

2190. ekh-thros; (to hate); hateful (pass. odious, or act hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan):- enemy, foe. Many today are spiritually asleep to the true word of God and the enemy / satan works overtime pumping man's traditions into them and they don't even realize it for they have been blinded and lulled off to sleep by man's traditions.

Satan through sleeping with Eve sowed the evil children / tares / Kenites among the children of God. This would have never happened, had Eve listened to God and did not touch/ sleep with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which was none other than satan himself.

Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

These tares looked alot like wheat till full grown. We are to test the fruit or what man teaches to see if it aligns with God's word or not. If it does not then it is not of God. Many people look christianly and say they are christians, but are they really? Are they teaching what aligns with God's word? By their fruits ye shall know them, as noted in Matthew 7:15-20. Especially verse 20.

Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

Symbolic of God's children asking God didn't He sow only good seed or children? And why are there tares / Kenites then? See those who are truly children of God and know God's word, will be able to recognize and discern between God's word and man's and those who are called of God to teach and those who are not. They also can discern the ways of a Kenite and when one is furthering satan's doctrine rather than God's word.

Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

God is telling us here that satan the enemy hath done this. The children of God asking do you want us to get rid of them?

Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

God said NO do not get rid of the tares / Kenites lest you uproot the children of God also. You see many of God's children are so intertwined in the Kenites false doctrine that it is so hard to tell who is a GENUINE Kenite or offspring of satan and who is just an innocent child of God that has gotten themselves caught up in man's traditions. Even a Kenite can be converted, if they turn to God and leave their father satan's lies.

This is why we are to share God's word and let God through His word open the eyes of His children to false teachings and gently bring them back to Father's word and teach them to study for themselves and check ALL men out in God's word. This is how one breaks the hold of the Kenites teaching. Not by attacking the Kenites and stooping to their level.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Harvest time is when Christ returns AFTER the antichrist reign where satan plays or pretends He is Christ come to rapture you away. As further documented in this study The Truth About The Rapture Theory.

Those who flock to the antichrist thinking they are flying out of here will be gathered with the tares in danger of hell fire, if they do not open their eyes to the true God during the millenium reign spoken of in Revelation 20. God is against the rapture theory or fly away teaching, as noted in Ezekiel 13:20.

Matthew 13:36-43

Explanation Of The Parable Of The Tares Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Christ speaking only to His disciples here. The majority do not always hear God's word. Only those God feels can handle it at that time. Or as most call them God's elect

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

God is the Father of the good seed/ children.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Here we have it again. The tares are the children of the wicked one, just as Cain was, because they are Cain's offspring which are known as the Kenites.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Christ tells us point blank the enemy is the devil, not a snake or serpent. This happened when Eve slept with satan and conceived Cain the evil one who murdered Abel.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

God is going to cast all the tares and those who follow the tares into the lake of fire, IF they do not get their act together by the end of the millenium reign mentioned in Revelation 20.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This will happen on judgment day. So sad that some would choose to follow the kenite or satanic ways that will lead them to hell.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Then shall the righteous have eternal life forever with God. Not all have ears to hear. Do you? Can you hear what Father is telling you in this parable? Be sharp and be wiser than satan for he is out to mislead and deceive and spiritually impregnate you with his lies, just as he physically impregnated Eve to try and prevent the Christ child from eventually being born. Today satan uses lies to try and prevent God's children from knowing the true Christ the Living Word of God.


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Let's talk about TREES.

Trees are used throughout the Bible to symbolize people, including the children of God, Satan, Jesus Christ and even God the Father, who likens Himself to an "evergreen" fir tree in Hosea 14:8.

So before we go any further in the Word of God we must learn to tell the difference between a "tree" and a "person", between a tree trunk and the trunk of a person's body, between tree limbs and human limbs, between the branches of a vine and the people they represent. It is in fact, with just a little observation, very easy to make these distinctions.

It would serve a person well to do a study of trees in the Bible, for there are many passages where trees are used symbolically to represent people. You could start by reading the account of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in chapter four of Daniel and the interpretation thereof. It is a great example of "tree symbology".

However, we will focus on identifying the "trees" in the garden of Eden. The following passage from the Book of Ezekiel will document without refute, not only that trees are used symbolically in the Bible to represent people including Satan, but specifically those persons present in the garden of Eden!

Ezekiel 31:3-12
Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

The Hebrew word for "Assyrian" used here is te'ashshur and it means "a box tree". It represents Satan, a plain old box cedar who wants to become the greatest tree of all, as we will see in a few verses.

[4] The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

[5] Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

You should start to get the sense that we are not talking about actual trees. Verse 10 of this same chapter shows that this "tree" exalted himself above all the others. Let's keep reading.

[6] All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

Wow! That must be some giant tree, with a shadow big enough for all great nations to dwell under!

[7] Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

[8] The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

No tree (person) in the garden of God could compare in beauty to this one. Trees = people. Again, this is not difficult at all.

[9] I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Of course trees can't envy other trees, nor do they have the brains to know the difference between good and evil! These are characteristics of people, not trees. The trees are symbolic. Remember, trees = people.

Can you now "see" that Satan is referred to as a "tree" in the garden of Eden? Remember, aside from the trees created for food, there are two specific trees mentioned there: 1) the tree of life, and 2) the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

It is ironic that no one seems to have a problem with the "tree of life" symbolizing Jesus Christ.

Rev. 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

But when we say that the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", i.e. the tree with evil knowledge, is Satan, that old serpent, the devil, they go "bonkers" and say, "No, it's an apple tree!" Really? The word "apple" does not appear in the entire Book of Genesis.

Let's now examine what Eve told that "glistening one", Satan, in the garden:

Genesis 3:2
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Eating physical food, nuts and fruits, is OK.

But it is spiritual food (bad fruit) that can kill your soul. Don't you see that "life" is the subject in verse three? The consequence of eating "bad fruit" from a corrupt tree is "lest you die", i.e. death!

You can eat all the "bread" you want, but you better partake of the "bread of life" if you want to live forever. Christ is that "bread". He is that "tree of life". If you eat of the "leaven" of the scribes and Pharisees, you'll die. It's bad bread! Beware! Here is Christ's own words:

Matthew 16:11
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Matthew 16:12
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Christ said, "get your mind off of physical bread and elevate your thinking to that which is important, i.e. beware of the poison leaven of the bread of the scribes and Pharisees".

The same thought process must apply here to the trees in Genesis or you'll miss the point.

Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

But, you ask, if the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is in the midst of the garden, is Satan, what is the fruit spoken of here?

It is real simple. Fruit is that which is "produced" by a tree. Here is what Christ said:

Luke 6:43-44
For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [44] For every tree is known by his own fruit...

Question! Is Christ talking about trees or people? Good, you've got it!

So the instruction to Adam and Eve is quite simple, "Do not partake of the fruit produced by the evil, corrupt, tree, which is in the midst of the garden!" In fact, don't even "touch" it, lest ye become seduced.

Finally, as background to understand that which is about to happen in the fig grove, look up the Hebrew word that is translated "touch" in verse 3. The word is naga and it means not just to "lay the hand upon" but it is an euphemism for "to lie with a woman". Check it out in a Strong's concordance.

Let's continue now in Genesis, repeating verse four, Satan's first lie:

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

It is their "spiritual eyes" that will be opened! Again, we are not talking about eating apples that wake you up in the morning.

[6] And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

When is the last time you saw a tree and said to yourself, "you know self, if I eat the fruit from this tree it will instantly make me wiser. I'll bet these are some kind of smart apples".

No, that which just took place in verse 6 of Genesis 3, is not the chomping of an apple from a fruit tree. There has been a seduction, the truth of which has been hidden for a long time to those who don't know their trees, to those who have allowed the deceptive stories of the traditions of men to blind their eyes, that in seeing they don't see and in hearing they don't hear.

[7] And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Their spiritual eyes were opened all right! But why in the world do they now "know they're naked"? You will find it is because of the SHAME they have brought upon themselves, for disobeying God, yes, but in a much more perverted way than biting bad apples.

"And they sewed aprons together...". Do you suppose these were itty bitty little aprons that they sewed together to cover their mouths because they just ate bad fruit? The stupidity of tradition!

[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Uh oh! There's big trouble in the garden! Adam and Eve hear their Father coming! And now that they know good and evil, they know what's coming is not going to be good!

I'd hide too


81 posted on 09/05/2004 10:12:58 AM PDT by repub32
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82 posted on 09/05/2004 10:14:21 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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When we last left Adam and Eve they were hiding from the LORD God who was walking in the garden. They had been in the fig grove with the "tree who had evil knowledge". They were naked and unashamed when they went in, but they were naked and ashamed when they came forth. Why?

Satan had beguiled Eve, which is to say, he totally, wholly seduced her. That is why the apostle Paul would say in his second letter to the Corinthians, that he had espoused them (the church) to one husband, and he wanted to present them as chaste virgins to Christ. But he was fearful that they would become "spiritually" seduced, even as Eve was "physically" seduced by the serpent. You see, Eve was a chaste virgin before Satan seduced her.

2 Cor. 11:2-3
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The subject is virginity.

[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Has your mind been corrupted with fairy tale stories about "apples" and "snakes standing upright"? Or do you have the eyes to see and ears to hear the simplicity that is in Christ and His Word?

You must look up the word "beguiled" for yourself in Strong's concordance or a Greek dictionary. The word is exapatao and it means "to seduce wholly". Check it out.

You will also find later on, in verse 15, that God will put enmity between Satan's seed and Eve's seed, meaning their offspring, i.e. Satan's children and Eve's children. That which has transpired here is explained, in "simplicity", by the greatest teacher of all time, the Lord Jesus Christ. Will you believe Him or hang on to the apple tree?

In Matthew 13, Christ spoke several parables. Do you know why He spoke in parables? Do you think it was to make things obvious to the crowd He was addressing?

Matthew 13:10-13
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Hey, what do you know, here are the disciples asking Jesus the exact question we were thinking of!

[11] He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Did we read that correctly? It was not meant that everyone should understand Him?

[12] For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Yep, we read it correctly. Unless you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, you will not understand the parables of Jesus. Let's test your spiritual senses. Christ gave this parable in Matthew 13. It is the Parable of the Tares. Read it carefully and then Christ Himself will explain it in detail.

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

After Christ speaks another parable, we learn that He is actually uttering things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Do you want to learn a secret?

Matthew 13:35-36
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Now look what happens!

[36] Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

The crowd is gone! The disciples come to Jesus, in private, and ask Him to explain the Parable of the Tares, the one we just read. Would you also like to ask Him to explain it to you? Then go for it!

Here is the simple explanation, from the Lord Jesus Christ, of the Parable of the Tares, to those who have been granted or have asked Him for eyes to see and ears to hear. Remember, this information, hidden from the foundation of the world, is not available to all. Blessed indeed is he or she that understands.

Christ's simple explanation:

Matthew 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The field is the world? Wow! This really is simple.

The tares are children of Satan? He has children? He has children.

Don't you dare try to spiritualize this away! This is not a parable! These children (seed) are those same seed (children) in Gen 3:15. God puts enmity between his (Satans's) children and her (Eve's) children. We will be meeting the first child of Satan when we get to chapter 4 of Genesis. His name is Cain. He is not listed in Adam's genealogy in chapter five of Genesis. I wonder why not?

[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The wicked seed was sowed in the fig grove, in the garden of Eden, at the seduction of mother Eve. (Hopefully the words of Christ are not too much for you. Remember, you can always believe that snakes stand up and talk.)

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Who has ears to hear, let him hear. Who has not ears to hear, let him slumber.

Now back to the Book of Beginnings.

Genesis 3:9
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Don't think for one minute that God didn't know where Adam was. You'll find He never asks a question that He doesn't already know the answer to.

[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Adam isn't facing reality very well at all, a problem common to many. We must all learn that we can't hide from our problems and our sins. Our Father knows!

[11] And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

The defendant is being questioned by the Judge.

[12] And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Here we see one of the basic principles of "liberalism", which is simply "never, never, take responsibility for your own actions. Always blame someone else". In this case Adam points out that the "Manufacturer" of the woman is really to blame, i.e. the woman WHOM THOU GAVEST to be with me.

This was not a good answer! You can't con our Father, who probably shook His head in sorrow and disappointment as He turned to the woman.

[13] And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Hey, it's not my fault! I have an excuse. The serpent seduced me.

Another really bad answer! God now turns to Satan.

[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

"Because thou hast done this..". Done what? I think we covered that. He seduced Eve.

Notice that no question was asked to this "scum of the earth". Why give him the opportunity to reply with a smart aleck answer? God moves directly to the sentencing.

You should be able to document by now that the "serpent" God is speaking to is Satan, the Devil himself (Rev. 12:19). He was beautiful, charming, witty and very, very likable (Ezek. 28). He was a "tree to be desired". He was also a pervert. It is he whom our Father curses above all other living beings. He did not curse little old snakes.

The statement "upon thy belly shalt thou go" is an Hebrew figure of speech. It is a statement of degradation that implies the utmost humiliation, for prostration was ever the most eloquent sign of subjection. (If you are fortunate to have a Companion Bible, it will document this for you). We have a somewhat similar saying in English, "he's lower than a snake's belly".

The same statement of degradation applies to "and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life". This figure of speech is much like Psalms 72:9 which says "his enemies shall lick the dust". They will not literally get on their hands and knees and lick the ground with their tongues, but they will be so utterly defeated that no words could literally depict their overthrow and subjugation. But a picture, portrayed by a figure of speech, is worth a thousand words.

If the teachers and preachers of God's Word would pay attention to the figures of speech, which are easily identified in the "fixed" languages of Hebrew and Greek, much misunderstanding and confusion could be eliminated.

Here's How Traditions are Made:

If there was a verse in the New Testament that read "The Apostle Paul got in hot water", there would now be churches that would require their parishioners to do as Paul and follow his example, i.e. get into a pool or tub of water that is hot.

If you looked up "water" in Strong's concordance it would say "H2O, that substance which forms lakes and rivers and seas, rain, etc.". The would-be scholars would then debate how much water you should get into, how far you should be immersed, and exactly what degree of temperature constitutes hot as opposed to warm.

Thus "getting into hot water" would become a tradition of the church, despite the fact that the phrase is a figure of speech which means "The Apostle Paul got into trouble", and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with water!

For those who have an interest, the great scholar E.W. Bullinger, has a work in which he classifies the 217 figures of speech and has given some 8,000 passages of Scripture to illustrate them. Without paying close attention to "Figures of Speech", no study of the Bible can be complete. Of course if you have a Companion Bible it notes the figures of speech for each passage in the parallel columns.

The LORD God now continues with the sentencing of the guilty ones. He is still addressing Satan:

[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

And so it would come to pass that Christ's heel was bruised when His feet were nailed to the cross at Calvary, but as it is recorded in Hebrew 2:14 He shall destroy Satan, whose name is "death".

God has also said that He would put enmity (Webster: positive, active, and typically mutual hatred or ill will) between Satan and Eve and between HIS SEED and HER SEED.

Did you notice that there is no mention of apple seeds.

[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Conception? God is talking about conception and bringing forth children? What brought up that subject? What does conception have to do with apples anyway? Why didn't He say, "I will make your teeth hurt every time you bite fruit"? Hello!

While we're on the subject of conception, did you know that Eve had twins?


83 posted on 09/05/2004 10:16:53 AM PDT by repub32
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Two things:

1. You only need ONE punctuation mark at the end of a sentence. ;)

2. Adam & Eve were created the sixth day. It says nothing about the "races." Besides "the races" would have been wiped out at the time of the flood. Now if you want to say Noah's family were the basis for the various races, I might agree with you.


84 posted on 09/05/2004 10:17:36 AM PDT by madison10
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I often say to friends and acquaintances when the opportunity presents itself, when perhaps the subject of church or the Bible comes up, "Remind me sometime and I'll tell you what really happened in the garden". It always provokes curiosity, and it seems that the interest in that type of scandal is ageless, if you know what I mean. In any event, many have been driven into studying the Word of God when the traditions of men have been exposed.

The truth of the seduction in the garden, has been covered up, hidden by the cloak of the "fig" apron, and has been replaced with fairy tales about "apples" and "upright snakes". Satan has succeeded in deceiving those who read into taking the words which are written as literal "to the letter" instead of seeing the "truth" contained in that which is figurative and symbolic. He tried that "trick" on Jesus Christ Himself, when he tempted Him in the wilderness by quoting (misquoting) the Word of God, implying the literal letter (read Mat. 4:1-11). Christ didn't "buy it" and neither should you.

In as much as the flower of the fig is hidden within its casing, it is the very reason that the word "fig" is still used to symbolize something that is "hidden" from view. I hesitate in saying this, but if you would like a real education about the word "fig", then go to the library or obtain an unabridged Webster's Dictionary, look up the word "fig", and read all of the various definitions. I'll quote just two of the many definitions of this "f" word from that source:

Webster's New Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary:

A fig for; a phrase shortened from "I don't care a fig for," expressing the speakers contempt for the object or person mentioned.

fig, v.t. 1. To insult with ficos or contemptuous motions of the fingers. 2. To put, as something useless, into one's head.

Whether you check it out or not, know this: The traditions of men qualify as "something useless" in one's head. Enough said.

We now return to the garden of Eden. Our Father has been "spelling out" the consequences earned from man's first sin. Adam has fallen from grace. Here's what he's got coming:

Genesis 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


I know this is the 1990s. But like it or not, Adam was placed in authority and God held him responsible for allowing this carnal event to transpire. Worse yet, he not only permitted it to happen, he participated as well, the exact circumstances of which I will leave to your own speculation and imagination, trusting that you will use good common sense and wisdom. Sometimes those who are "street wise" have an advantage in understanding the realities of the flesh man.

[18] Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Hey, it's time to plant wheat and corn for food, pal, and don't forget to pull the weeds or they will choke out the crop.

[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

You had it made right there in the garden of Eden, Adam. Perfect utopia. But you blew it! Dad's no longer going to provide everything for you "on a silver platter". Go find out what it is like to have to work for a living. Then of course, you're going to die, son!

[20] And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Obviously, Eve is no more the mother of all the different races than she is of Adam. Remember, our Father created the races on the sixth day and Eve was not formed until the eighth day (if you've just joined our study please refer to the previous lessons for a more detailed explanation).

The name "Eve" means life-giving in the Hebrew tongue. Now, it has just been pronounced in the previous verse that man shall die. But our Father, in His infinite love for His children, had already prepared a way in which we could "live". It is called the plan of salvation.

That plan provided that it would be through this woman, EVE (and her offspring), that the only Way to life, the Messiah and Savior, Jesus Christ, should be born. This is the primary reason that Satan wanted to destroy the woman, to destroy the plan of God, to prevent the Messiah from being born, and instead, have his own born. That's why he was there, in the garden.

Plain and simply then, all people, all races, will either eventually accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, or they will no longer have life. They'll be gone! Therefore Eve IS the mother of all living in that she IS the mother (grand) of Him.

[21] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Adam and Eve now needed a covering, because of sin. We all need a covering, because of sin!

Here we see animals being used (sacrificed) to provide that covering. This beginning of "blood sacrifice" would continue down through the ages until the supreme sacrifice, of that unblemished Lamb of God, paid the price on the cross, to provide our covering once and for all.

And guess what? Because He did pay the price, we now get to wear the gospel armour (Eph. 6) as full protection from that fiery dart-throwing serpent. I don't know about you, but this Knight really likes the fit.

[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Man had become as one of whom? As one of the Elohim, God and the host, i.e. God and His sons, the angels. They certainly knew the difference between good and evil from the "world that then was" which God destroyed at judgment. That's why we have the plan of salvation, of restoration (see lessons 1 and 2).

[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Start plowing, Adam! It is for that purpose you were created, i.e. to "till the ground". God will eventually use this man's descendents to cultivate civilization, the real purpose for which he was created, using His "sword", as both the plow and the seed. It was to be the destiny of the race of eth' ha Adam. History documents it thoroughly. God's Word is true!

[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That Way, the path to eternal life through that "tree of life", would now be withheld until Jesus Christ, the Messiah walked the earth. And in due time, right on time, as was first prophesied in Gen. 3:15, He did come and walk among men! It was God's most precious gift to His children. How can we not pour out our hearts in love to Him when we see how much He loves us? Do you see?

Well, we didn't quite make it far enough in today's study to meet Eve's twins, the two seed lines. But they are "next up" in chapter four of this incredibly fascinating Book of Genesis. What a thriller it is! See you tomorrow.

Continuation of study...


85 posted on 09/05/2004 10:18:08 AM PDT by repub32
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Well, it's now "Good By Eden" and "Hello Cruel World"! (Somehow I can really relate to that and I suspect many of you can too.)

Eve is about to give birth to fraternal twins. That isn't commonly taught in the story books of churchianity, but it is recorded in the Word of God.

Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

As it is written, Adam did know his wife and she did conceive (the object, conception, defines the action of the verb, to know, which means the same as "horizontal cha-cha"). It would appear, without further examination, that the result of this conception produced her first born, Cain. But such is not the case. Adam was not the father of Cain. You will find that Cain is not even listed in Adam's genealogy in chapter five of Genesis. Why? Because his father was the devil, that old serpent, Satan himself.

There was a conception that took place in the fig grove, at the seduction of Eve. It was declared in verse sixteen of chapter three!

The next verse documents that Eve had twins.

[2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

The word "again" is translated from the Hebrew word yacaph, which means "to continue to do a thing". Look it up for yourself. In other words, Eve continued in labor and bare Cain's brother Abel.

If you are not familiar with "twins" you can surf the web and learn a great deal. Start with http://www.twinsfoundation.com .

Basically, there are two types of twins. 1) Maternal twins, usually called identical twins, are produced from the same conception in which a single ovum splits into two groups of cells soon after fertilization. 2) Fraternal twins are produced from two separate conceptions, i.e. they develop from two separate ova which are each fertilized before implanting in the uterus. While it is true that fraternal twins "usually" have the same father, it is not at all uncommon for them to each have a separate father. Such is the case with Cain and Abel. They were both Eve's sons, but they both were not Adam's, only Abel was.

Once again, remember that in Gen 3:15 God said that He would enmity between Satan's seed (offspring) and Eve's seed (offspring). That enmity produced the first murder!

[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

"In process of time" means "at (the) end of days" and shows that there was an appointed time to bring an offering. The place and the offering would have been appointed as well.

Notice that Cain did not bring a sacrificial offering, for there is no blood shed. We also know from the Book of Jude that his offering was merely a "religious act", for his way was that of natural religion, not the way God had appointed. Cain's heart was not in the right place, and he was not being honest, as we shall document in verse seven. Keep in mind that our Father knows the hearts and minds of Cain and Abel (and you and me as well).

Jude 1:11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Dr. Moffat translates this verse, "Woe to them! they go the road of Cain, rush into Balaam's error for what it brings them, and perish in Korah's rebellion." In other words, Cain's offering was self-serving.

[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Abel brought the choicest, nicest, unblemished lamb from his sheep herd that he could find among the firstlings. What a great attitude!

[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Let's see what we have here. Cain brings some "fruit of the ground" (it doesn't say of the first fruits, or of the fat thereof, or the best of the best) and presents it to the LORD, figuring he's done his duty to the letter of the law. That should be acceptable and good enough to find favor with the LORD. How would the Lord know, anyway, that he just grabbed some produce off the pile, in a "rush" as we just read in Jude 11?

So the LORD, knowing what is in Cain's heart, doesn't buy this religious routine of just plopping a few extra brussels sprouts in the offering plate.

Does Cain then examine himself and his motives to see the error of his ways, in order that he might repent and change his attitude? No way! His name means "possession" and he is out to "get", not give. So he performs another religious act and gets PO'd (a slang contraction for angry) at the LORD for not believing his "insincerity" and not accepting his inappropriate, non-sacrificial offering.

There is nothing new under the sun. Many people to this day wonder why God doesn't bless them. Perhaps they haven't read Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." (Not just Sunday morning by bringing a few extra tokens and throwing them in the offering plate.)

[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Dr. Moffat (Moffat Bible) best translates this verse:

Gen. 4:7 If your heart is honest, you would surely look bright? If you are sullen, sin is lying in wait for you, eager to be at you - yet you ought to master it.

The point is that Cain was not honest and God knew it, but our Father still gave him a chance. If he would just be honest, God would accept his offering. But he would not, for there was no honesty in him, because "his father", the father of lies, was in him.

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Cain wasn't "talking" with his brother, he was luring him into country so he could murder him! And he did!

The N.E.B. translates this verse, "Cain said to his brother Abel, 'Let us go into the open country.' While they were there, Cain attacked his brother Abel and murdered him."

This is the first murder recorded in the Bible. Later, Cain's descendents would plot the murder of Jesus Christ. Let's pick it up in John chapter 8 where the religious leaders, the descendents of Cain, with murder in their hearts, are trying to convince Christ that they are of the good seed, the seed of Abraham. They are boldly, without shamefulness, directly lying to Messiah, as there is no honesty in them either.

John 8:39-40
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Jesus doesn't "buy it".

[40] But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Unbelievable, isn't it? These "religious" leaders are running around telling folks that they are God's chosen people (which they are not), and all the while they are plotting to murder Jesus Christ, the Son of God! Christ identifies their sireship.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Christ is speaking of the murder and the lies of which are studying now in Genesis!

It is also recorded in the first epistle of John that Cain was "of" (meaning offspring of) that wicked one. Plain and simply, like it or not, believe it or not, Cain was Satan's son, not Adam's.

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Let's return to Genesis where the LORD is inquiring of Cain as to the whereabouts of his brother.

[9] And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Hey, surprise, surprise! Cain was dishonest again! This time he lied directly to our Father and followed that lie with a sarcastic, smart aleck question, "Am I my brother's keeper?" You just can't trust an habitual liar!

[10] And He said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

God knew exactly what he had done.

[11] And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

[12] When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

To this very day, the ground will not yield its potential to the descendents of Cain.

[13] And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

[14] Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Cain knew there were other people on earth. In fact we will discover that he goes into the land of Nod and takes a wife. Where in the world did she come from? Answer! She was from the sixth day creation (refer to previous lessons).

Cain also knew that his actions would get him in trouble and even get him killed. So God will place a "mark" upon him. In our next study we will learn what that "mark" was? Do you know?


86 posted on 09/05/2004 10:19:53 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32

Ok got to go out to eat now more later see ya all something to think about huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


87 posted on 09/05/2004 10:20:46 AM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32

First, I think you need to calm down some. All the question marks aren't necessary at all. It isn't emotions that draw us into God's Truth. Second, it doesn't appear that you really want to discuss things scripturally. It has been show to you that Gen 4:1 clearly shows Adam is the father of Cain, not Satan literally. I probably won't offer you my belief of what God is teaching us here because I do not at all believe you have any desire to seek His truth together with others. It would seem that you just want to copy and paste someone else's commentary/opinion, no matter who that person is. In this case, he isn't alive to discuss his views anyway.


88 posted on 09/05/2004 11:32:54 AM PDT by lupie
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To: P-Marlowe

I guess it isnt math we have to do its logic, Yes they were his sisters or his Mother.Oedipus thy name is Cain.


89 posted on 09/05/2004 11:57:25 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Without checking the thread title, Just reading the Scripture, I thought this was about a UFO thread or some such.

I don't have much of a clue why you are giving this Scripture on this thread.


90 posted on 09/05/2004 12:22:57 PM PDT by Quix (PLEASE EMAIL ZELL MILLER AND OTHERS INSISTING HE SPEAK OUT LOTS)
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To: lupie

I think I'd mostly agree with you.

And, I've certainly seen many off the wall examples of Hagin's teachings. Though, if one listened to Hagin himself CLOSELY, I found him mostly Scriptural and balanced. But I think his son and most of his disciples jumped off the deep end more than a time or three.

HOWEVER, there is some very potent SCRIPTURAL TRUTHS IN:

Whatsoever a man thinks, so is he.

As well as the ones about confessing in faith with one's mouth etc. I do think such needs to come out of an earnest heart that's largely Spirit led.

I do believe that someone applying Scripture more or less as Hagin taught in child-like faith and earnestness will, in general, experience many more miracles in their lives than someone who doesn't.

The Word doesn't return void when Scripturally applied in faith.


91 posted on 09/05/2004 12:27:12 PM PDT by Quix (PLEASE EMAIL ZELL MILLER AND OTHERS INSISTING HE SPEAK OUT LOTS)
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To: sirchtruth; Talking_Mouse

THANKS MUCH.

Just my first thought, too. Seems pretty logical and elementary to me!

God didn't implement the flood just as a vivid virtual illustration for Sunday School!

He meant business and accomplished the business He meant!


92 posted on 09/05/2004 12:30:28 PM PDT by Quix (PLEASE EMAIL ZELL MILLER AND OTHERS INSISTING HE SPEAK OUT LOTS)
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To: repub32

You wrote:

["too much dubious information" deleted]

Reads like
"The Protocols of the Elders of Troll" (TM)


93 posted on 09/05/2004 12:30:56 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: repub32
No....Ishmael and Hagar. Remember Abraham and Sarah?
94 posted on 09/05/2004 12:50:57 PM PDT by roylene
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To: Quix

I agree with you very much on the scriptural truth of whatever a man thinks so he is as well as confessing ones faith with ones mouth. Thank you for reiterating these truths on this board.


95 posted on 09/05/2004 1:06:41 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Talking_Mouse

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

I think it's a major tool of satan,

to get HUMANS to take Scriptural truths and run sky west and crooked with them--and then to get masses of other people to throw the baby out with the bath water as a result.

Discernment and rightly dividing and discerning between the bone and the marrow may not be easy or even quick . . . but we are called to do it and equipped with Holy Spirit, to do it.

Another major problem is RELIGION--taking 'the law' and making an idol out of it or some part of it--and usually some special interpretation of it that boosts our egos in certain social contexts. Hideous tendencies in all that, sadly, imho.


96 posted on 09/05/2004 1:33:38 PM PDT by Quix (PLEASE EMAIL ZELL MILLER AND OTHERS INSISTING HE SPEAK OUT LOTS)
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To: lupie

Whats so funny is how ppl. like you are the one not open to interpretation while accusing me of the same. The walk with christ is an indivdual one, you alone are responsible to learn Truth. You said the question marks are not neccessary and that it has been shown to me that Adam was Cain's Father, How is that,lol?????????? Why is Cain never mentioned in ADAM's Genealogy????? funny it seems to me you have yet to fully read anything I posted but you want me to just agree Im wrong.


97 posted on 09/05/2004 2:10:33 PM PDT by repub32
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To: sirchtruth

Look Genesis 4:1 clearly states Eve conceived both. Where you're getting this "God never let Cain seek grace" is perposterous. All we know is God did not find favor with Cain's offering.

Uh, conceiving a child and who that child came from(seed of) is completly different. How do you expalin exactly that???????????????? how CAIN had no exceptance from CHrist even before he Killed ABEL, GOD didnt give CAIN any exceptance at all even when bringing GOD offering's. CAIN was of the Blood line of SATAN it is you who is fooled and needs to study his Bible not me my friend but you believe what you want just like most christians who want to do nothing but believe the Word of GOD is filled with wonderful happiness and good things well sorry it isnt.
Gen:4 5


98 posted on 09/05/2004 2:40:21 PM PDT by repub32
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To: repub32

This is absolute nonsense, coming from that poisoned heretic and false wolf-shepherd in sheep's clothing by the name of "Pastor" Murray.

Pastor Murray is nothing but a proven liar who is not unlike the heretical Gnostics in that he has lots of oddball "secrets" he's discovered - that all the other religions and theologians somehow missed over several thousand years. His demented theology belongs in a sewer.

It certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity, although it mimics it.

He doesn't even believe in the Trinity or the resurrection of the body. He was also caught lying about being a "doctor". He's not a doctor, being that he doesn't have a doctorate.

By saying that because Cain isn't mentioned in geneology and that because God didn't relish his offerings somehow translates into him being the spawn of the enemy is creatively filling in the blanks.

All human beings are God's creation, none are of Satan. To say that any of us are otherwise is to reject His Word and all teachings of His Son, the Word incarnate and the second person of the Trinity - Who gave us all the chance of eternal salvation.


99 posted on 09/05/2004 3:39:20 PM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: AAABEST

You say this all the time with no proof besides that you hardly study scripture word for word line for line and interpret the langauges. Your problem is you believe in what man teaches you (hence the Catholic church) that teaches ppl. nothing about scripture only about their laws basically and the churches ways People walk out of the Catholic church learning nothing. all things need to be tested in light of scripture no matter who tells you the interpretation of. When was the last time you went to the greeks and hebrews to intrepret the languages???? So then tell me why was it that CAIN had absolutely no exceptance from GOD??????? Why was it that even before CAIN sinned(killing ABEL) that GOD would'nt even except his offering's. NO one on this board has of yet to explain that to me, dont kill the messenger unless you can factually descredit him. Why was it that ADAm and eve were embarrassed and ashamed when GOD came looking for them and covered their nakedness thier Nakedness????????? becuase they ate fruit from a tree, come on now. Explain this scripture even before CAIn sinned why was it that GOD had no respect for ABEL???????????? Gen 4 5 But unto CAIN and to his offering's he had not respect. AND CAIN was very wroth, and his countenance fell. WHy is it that even a serial killer can repent and receive grace from GOD but CAIN could not. CAIN was from the bloodline of SATAN dis prove it in scripture. WHy is it that CIN is never mentioned in ADAM's geanology.


100 posted on 09/05/2004 4:10:20 PM PDT by repub32
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