Posted on 08/21/2004 6:32:54 PM PDT by Viva Christo Rey
I have no idea. I'm not into apparitions.
We pray for you
Check out the conversion stories posted by the "reformed." You almost used their words verbatim.
He did. Maybe it's time for Mary to uphold her end of the bargain.
Or, just pray and work for peace yourself.
Maybe we could both work on bringing a bit of harmony to FR.
I'll start by bowing out of this tit-for-tat.
I will stroll right on down to the nearest Reconciliation Room. The only problem is that I need a sworn affidavit, signed by witnesses, stating that I actually sinned before the priest will absolve me.
That doesn't count; ask Cardinal McCarrick, John Kerry's personal defender.
It's at the discretion of the local apostate bishop whether or not infanticide is murder or a mortal sin.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Peace brother!
I thought he did, twice.
And we wonder where the non-Catholics get their ideas...........
The Net Nanny strikes again. I'm surprised she didn't ping the Moderator.
He's right, though. Consider these words of a Doctor of the Church:
Wherefore he that would now enquire of God, or seek any vision or revelation, would not only be acting foolishly, but would be committing an offence against God, by setting his eyes altogether upon Christ, and seeking no new thing or aught beside. And God might answer him after this manner, saying: If I have spoken all things to thee in My Word, Which is My Son, and I have no other word, what answer can I now make to thee, or what can I reveal to thee which is greater than this? Set thine eyes on Him alone, for in Him I have spoken and revealed to thee all things, and in Him thou shalt find yet more than that which thou askest and desirest. For thou askest locutions and revelations, which are the part; but if thou set thine eyes upon Him, thou shalt find the whole; for He is My complete locution and answer, and He is all My vision and all My revelation; so that I have spoken to thee, answered thee, declared to thee and revealed to thee, in giving Him to thee as thy brother, companion and master, as ransom and prize. For since that day when I descended upon Him with My Spirit on Mount Tabor, saying: Hic est filius meus dilectus, in quo mihi bene complacui, ipsum audite [St. Matthew xvii, 5.] (which is to say: This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him), I have left off all these manners of teaching and answering, and I have entrusted this to Him. Hear Him; for I have no more faith to reveal, neither have I any more things to declare. For, if I spake aforetime, it was to promise Christ; and, if they enquired of Me, their enquiries were directed to petitions for Christ and expectancy concerning Him, in Whom they should find every good thing (as is now set forth in all the teaching of the Evangelists and the Apostles); but now, any who would enquire of Me after that manner, and desire Me to speak to him or reveal aught to him, would in a sense be asking Me for Christ again, and asking Me for more faith, and be lacking in faith, which has already been given in Christ; and therefore he would be committing a great offence against My beloved Son, for not only would he be lacking in faith, but he would be obliging Him again first of all to become incarnate and pass through life and death. Thou shalt find naught to ask Me, or to desire of Me, whether revelations or visions; consider this well, for thou shalt find that all has been done for thee and all has been given to thee -- yea, and much more also -- in Him. (St. John of the Cross, Ascent of Mt. Carmel, II, 22)
You and Hermann could provide a rolling Church history, replete with documentation.
That's why I love this place.
How about a letter from Sr. Lucia saying it was done?
OK - so we refuse to ignore the evidence that the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary was never done according to our Lady's requests.
We refuse to acknowledge the words of JPII, which say it was not done by him.
And we want a statement from a 96 year old cloistered nun, who has been ordered to be silent by vatican officals regarding Fatima, since the 60s.
You realize of course that the words and writngs of the present Pope have been horribly twisted by everybody in his church from his Curial officials in the Vatican, to local Bishops & priests. And he is the Pope, with authority to speak freely.
Exactly what would lead you to believe that such a statement would not be concocted, or twisted, given the present climate?
Uh - huh.......and let's not go into that little bit of forgery and fraud purportrated on live tv on 5/13/2000.
Mary's appearances at Fatima were approved by the Church. That's all.
Her words and requests are not part of that official sanction.
As in, "It is as it was." (regarding Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ)?
They then claim the Pope never said it, but if he did say it, it wasn't meant for public knowledge. Sounds like something Bill or Hillary would spew, e.g, "it depends on what the definition of "is" is."
In the meantime, the Pope remains silent.
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