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To: sinkspur

Check out the conversion stories posted by the "reformed." You almost used their words verbatim.


43 posted on 08/21/2004 8:36:05 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

I have no idea what you're talking about.


47 posted on 08/21/2004 8:37:20 PM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if you can't wear a tiara"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Pyro7480; sinkspur; Grey Ghost II
Check out the conversion stories posted by the "reformed." You almost used their words verbatim.

He's right, though. Consider these words of a Doctor of the Church:

Wherefore he that would now enquire of God, or seek any vision or revelation, would not only be acting foolishly, but would be committing an offence against God, by setting his eyes altogether upon Christ, and seeking no new thing or aught beside. And God might answer him after this manner, saying: If I have spoken all things to thee in My Word, Which is My Son, and I have no other word, what answer can I now make to thee, or what can I reveal to thee which is greater than this? Set thine eyes on Him alone, for in Him I have spoken and revealed to thee all things, and in Him thou shalt find yet more than that which thou askest and desirest. For thou askest locutions and revelations, which are the part; but if thou set thine eyes upon Him, thou shalt find the whole; for He is My complete locution and answer, and He is all My vision and all My revelation; so that I have spoken to thee, answered thee, declared to thee and revealed to thee, in giving Him to thee as thy brother, companion and master, as ransom and prize. For since that day when I descended upon Him with My Spirit on Mount Tabor, saying: Hic est filius meus dilectus, in quo mihi bene complacui, ipsum audite [St. Matthew xvii, 5.] (which is to say: This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him), I have left off all these manners of teaching and answering, and I have entrusted this to Him. Hear Him; for I have no more faith to reveal, neither have I any more things to declare. For, if I spake aforetime, it was to promise Christ; and, if they enquired of Me, their enquiries were directed to petitions for Christ and expectancy concerning Him, in Whom they should find every good thing (as is now set forth in all the teaching of the Evangelists and the Apostles); but now, any who would enquire of Me after that manner, and desire Me to speak to him or reveal aught to him, would in a sense be asking Me for Christ again, and asking Me for more faith, and be lacking in faith, which has already been given in Christ; and therefore he would be committing a great offence against My beloved Son, for not only would he be lacking in faith, but he would be obliging Him again first of all to become incarnate and pass through life and death. Thou shalt find naught to ask Me, or to desire of Me, whether revelations or visions; consider this well, for thou shalt find that all has been done for thee and all has been given to thee -- yea, and much more also -- in Him. (St. John of the Cross, Ascent of Mt. Carmel, II, 22)

52 posted on 08/21/2004 9:00:57 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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To: Pyro7480; Pio; Canticle_of_Deborah; pascendi; ELS; Viva Christo Rey; Maeve

.Maybe it's time for Mary to uphold her end of the bargain.
Or, just pray and work for peace yourself.

Ah......at those words, I can just hear the liturgists, modernistsm and random Novus Ordinarians purring like kittens. Marty Haugen, Dan Schutte, David Hass, and all the rest are feverishly working to set such a poetic text to "neus schectesmusik"!

After all, Mary is a stumbling block to a thoroughgoing liturgical praxis. But since the mere mention of her name make rich widows with large checkbooks coo, let's sing one verse of a "Mary song", and we will get lots of money with which to fund Pax Christi, CHD and other such black holes where we can actually re-route money to ourselves.

Or......so saith the modernist lavendar mob which has hijacked the church in the blizzard of bovine feces which is called the "spirit of Vatican II"......

The Mother of God made no "bargain" with man. She came as a messenger for God. He had no bargain to offer - the only bargain ever offered to man was through the death of the God made Man on Calvary. Mary delivered a message, and some promises of God, which were conditional on the reponse of men - churchmen - to this message.

There was no bargain at Fatima; rather there was an "either - or" proposition. Either: man turn to God in prayer, penance and amendment of life - the Holy Father in 1960 must reveal the third message of Fatima for all the world to read and know - and consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

OR: everything which has happened since 1960 would happen. The destruction of Christian society. Wars, and massive bloodshed. Widespread persecution of Christians - wholesale slaughter in some areas. Nature in upheavel. The Holy Father would have much to suffer. The church in eclipse - whole nations falling into unfaith, untold millions of souls lost. The church nearly destroyed from within by evil churchmen - that Satan himself would enter their hearts, and cause them to lose charity, faith, and cause them to serve him instead of God.
A great overall demonic disorientation of the mind - the loss of conscience; a darkening of the mind to the light of the Holy Spirit. That men would not know what is happening around them, and not see the signs of the times.

Pope John XXIII - "good" pope John - chose "OR". We have been living with the consequences of that "OR" for 44 years now. We live now in the time of the bizarre upside-down sign of the cross in the sky. But most men's minds are too clouded to see it.

But there is a happy ending - with God there always is. As Mary said: "in the end the holy Father will consecrate Russia - it will be late, but not too late, and there will be peace for a while".

It is all in scripture - look of for it, and you will find it. Seek all, and you will find all. And then you will not be blinded by the glory of the Woman Clothed With the Sun.


72 posted on 08/21/2004 10:02:22 PM PDT by thor76 (Ave Maria Assumpta! Mediatrix of all graces & Co-Redemptrix of Mankind!)
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