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1 posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:11 AM PDT by sidewalk
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Glad I switched over to something more sane... Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.


295 posted on 08/12/2004 5:03:15 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John lies!)
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Who could tell an 8 year old that her communion was fake? In front of a congregation? The bishop? That must have been terribly embarrassing to the child.

5.56mm

301 posted on 08/12/2004 5:10:37 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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Alright, Protestants, three questions:

1) Who compiled the New Testament of Scripture as you have it now?

2) Do the contents of Scripture yield obvious truths revealed by God or are they liable to misinterpretation?

3) Is your interpretation of Scripture infallible?


337 posted on 08/12/2004 7:18:47 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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The Diocese of Trenton has told Waldman's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten host, drink wine at communion or abstain entirely, but that any host without gluten does not qualify as Holy Communion.

So what's the problem here? The woman wants to go on and on with the refrain "my daughter and I can't have wheat" when the Diocese has pointed out (as if she didn't know) that she can receive wine? It's an undue hardship?

Three hundred odd posts have magnified the strife in the heart of this troubled woman. God help us, forgive us our trespasses, and deliver us from evil.

353 posted on 08/12/2004 8:22:09 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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She could drink the wine, if that church dispurses it.it is one in the same with the host after the consecration.
364 posted on 08/13/2004 12:37:18 AM PDT by .45MAN ("Vote for Life, Vote for Freedom ,Vote for Bush")
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Petty beyond belief.


451 posted on 08/13/2004 10:48:42 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (nine out of ten recently polled flies, prefer Kerry over feces.)
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Having read through this thread and seeing some rather vitriolic posts from Catholics toward Protestants, I wonder: Didn't a Catholic council a while back called Vatican II declare that non-RCC churches and members thereof were nonetheless to be considered Christian as long as certain things (which seem to me to apply to most Protestant branches) were the case? If so, if Catholics attack Protestants as being not of Christ/bound for hell/etc., aren't they in disagreement with their own church doctrine? (Or am I misunderstanding the whole situation there?)


494 posted on 08/14/2004 1:03:18 PM PDT by patricktschetter
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Found this article. I wonder if the mom would let the child try this? I still can't figure out why she won't let the child have the Precious Blood....


http://www.catholicreview.org/articles2/Newlowglutenhostsafeforceliacdiseasesufferers.htm

New low-gluten host safe for celiac disease sufferers
By Christopher Gaul
Senior staff correspondent

The University of Maryland researcher whose ground-breaking study revealed that celiac disease is dramatically more prevalent in the United States than previously thought said he is sure a newly developed, low-gluten eucharistic host is safe for the vast majority of sufferers of the little- known digestive disorder.

“This is really wonderful news and is going to make a big difference in the lives of what we now know to be the many people in this country who have celiac,” said Dr. Alessio Fasano, whose 2003 research discovered that more than two million Americans suffer from celiac.

Prior to the publication of the University of Maryland Center for Celiac Research study, the disease was thought to be rare. But now it is clear that it’s twice as common as Crohn’s ulcerative colitis and cystic fibrosis, said the professor of pediatrics, medicine and physiology who is a parishioner of St. Paul in Ellicott City.

“If there are about 300 people in church for Mass on Sunday, then we now know that two or three of them at least are likely to have celiac,” said Dr. Fasano, who noted that the disease affects about one in 130 Americans.

Celiac disease is a digestive disorder that is triggered by the protein gluten, which is found in wheat, barley and other grains. The Vatican requires that hosts must contain some gluten, an ingredient essential in the making of actual bread, but no one in the U.S. had developed a host with a low enough quantity of gluten that celiac sufferers could tolerate without harm.

That was until last month when, in a monastery in the rolling hills of northwest Missouri, members of the Congregation of the Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration produced a wheat host that contained a mere 0.01 percent of gluten, a level low enough to be perfectly safe for celiac sufferers, Dr. Fasano said.

“We had been trying to develop a really, really low-gluten bread for the past 10 or more years,” said Sister Rita Dohn, O.S.B., who heads the Benedictine Sisters’ altar bread department. “After all these years of trial and error we finally did it and we’re so thrilled for people with celiac who can now receive the host.”

Sister Rita said the challenge she and her fellow Sisters faced was trying to keep just enough gluten in the bread to meet the requirements set by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, yet an amount small enough to pose no threat to celiac sufferers, as determined by medical experts.

The level achieved by the Benedictines was even lower than that of a low-gluten host developed in Italy recently and approved by the Vatican and the scientific committee of the Italian Celiac Association.

According to the U.S. bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy, the Benedictine Sisters’ bread contains unleavened wheat and water, is free of additives and conforms to the requirements of the Code of Canon Law, canon 924.2.

“This low-gluten content is still enough gluten to confect bread for the Eucharist,” the committee determined. “(It) is the only true, low-gluten altar bread known to the Secretariat and approved for use at Mass in the United States.”

However, committee officials cautioned that while gluten-intolerant persons may be able to consume the low-gluten host, or some portion of it, they are “strongly advised” to check with their personal physicians first. Prior to the development of the low-gluten host, U.S. bishops had advised celiac sufferers to receive Communion only in the form of consecrated wine.

The celiac issue was thrown into the public spotlight in the U.S. in 2001 when the parents of a five-year-old Boston girl with celiac disease left the Catholic Church after their pastor would not allow them to substitute the wheat host with a rice wafer for her first Communion.

Until the results of Dr. Fasano’s study were made known last year, doctors rarely diagnosed celiac disease in their patients who suffered from symptoms of gastrointestinal discomfort or distress.

“I look back and I think, how many patients over the years have I missed who had celiac disease whom we said had IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)? Hundreds, hundreds,” said Mercy Medical Center’s Dr. Michael Cox, a gerontologist for the past 25 years.

He said that of the patients who now return to him with symptoms of IBS, five to 10 percent are testing positive for celiac.

“I’m diagnosing more and more people with celiac now,” Dr. Cox said. “It’s out there in unprecedented numbers. I’ve diagnosed more patients with celiac in the past year than in all my 25 years of practice.”

The contact information for ordering low-gluten hosts is:

Congregation of Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration, Altar Breads Department, 31970 State Highway P, Clyde, Missouri 64432. Phone: 1-800-223-2772.


498 posted on 08/14/2004 11:01:15 PM PDT by NatsMom (O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us, who have recourse to you.)
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FWIW, FYI,

FWIW, Some may be interested in some of these:

You and others may enjoy several posts (412-417?) that I just put on the TP thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1157571/posts?page=416

One is about God speaking clearly to a Moslem woman;

Another has a photo of some dancing angels in Indonesia that the photographer etc. were not aware of until after the film came back;

Another of many miracles in Kenya;

And another of a resurrection in China.

And, there's a post about a psychiatrist discussing speaking in tongues/praying In The Spirit.

Blessings,


519 posted on 08/15/2004 1:26:29 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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