1 posted on
08/12/2004 10:41:11 AM PDT by
sidewalk
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To: sidewalk
I feel for this family but I don't understand why the child doesn't just take a sip of wine. It's like this huge victim thing.
2 posted on
08/12/2004 10:45:01 AM PDT by
Mercat
To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...
Orthodox Catholic ping! What does one do in this case? Is her digestive problem so bad that she couldn't receive a small particle of Holy Communion, since that is still the Precious Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ?
3 posted on
08/12/2004 10:45:02 AM PDT by
Pyro7480
(Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
To: sidewalk
Stupid church dogma rules that have nothing to do with our Savior.
4 posted on
08/12/2004 10:50:00 AM PDT by
AgThorn
(Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
To: sidewalk
I don't get it. Thru TransSubstantiation, the priest changes the wafer & wine into the actual body & blood of Christ, according to Church teachings.
The actual body and blood of Christ didn't contain wheat then. Why should it now?
Considering the special circumstances here, I'm stunned that they'd rather invalidate the actions of a small child rather than do what God would want them to.
As if God cares about wheatless wafers. Sheesh!
9 posted on
08/12/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by
Blzbba
(John Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
To: hobbes1
10 posted on
08/12/2004 10:53:15 AM PDT by
xsmommy
To: sidewalk
Thankfully Jesus Christ will not shoo her away. If she has accepted Him as her Savior there is nothing this man made church can do to stop that relationship from flourishing.
11 posted on
08/12/2004 10:53:29 AM PDT by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: sidewalk
There is a boy in our parish with celiac disease. If the Precious Blood is not to be distributed at a Mass, he simply approaches the altar before or after the congregation (depending on whether or not he's serving as an altar boy to receive Our Lord from the chalice.
It's no big deal. The only way it would be a big deal would be if his parents made him feel like a freak instead of a faithful Catholic doing what he has to do.
To: sidewalk; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
Yet they allow pro-abortion politicans and RC unfaithful to receive and not this little girl with a medical condition? This just blows my mind.
20 posted on
08/12/2004 11:03:00 AM PDT by
Coleus
(Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
To: sidewalk
"This is a church rule, not God's will, and it can easily be adjusted to meet the needs of the people, while staying true to the traditions of our faith," Pelly-Waldman said in the letter.
A foolish statement from a another Catholic who does not know her faith. So the child has wine? Is the mother now going to deny that the Precious Blood is not Christ's body?
When does it end?
To: sidewalk; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
NORMS FOR USE OF LOW-GLUTEN BREAD AND MUSTUM
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
August 22, 1994. In recent years this dicastery has followed closely the development of the question of the use of low-gluten altar breads and <mustum> as matter for the celebration of the eucharist.
After careful study conducted in collaboration with a number of concerned episcopal conferences, this congregation in its ordinary session of June 22, 1994, has approved the following norms, which I am pleased to communicate: I. Concerning permission to use low-gluten altar breads:
A. This may be granted by ordinaries to priests and laypersons affected by celiac disease, after presentation of a medical certificate.
B. Conditions for the validity of the matter:
1) Special hosts <quibus glutinum ablatum est> are invalid matter for the celebration of the eucharist.
2) Low-gluten hosts are valid matter, provided that they contain the amount of gluten sufficient to obtain the confection of bread, that there is no addition of foreign materials and that the procedure for making such hosts is not such as to alter the nature of the substance of the bread.
II. Concerning permission to use 'mustum':
A. The preferred solution continues to be <communion per intinctionem>, or in concelebration under the species of bread alone.
B. Nevertheless, the permission to use <mustum> can be granted by ordinaries to priests affected by alcoholism or other conditions which prevent the ingestion of even the smallest quantity of alcohol, after presentation of a medical certificate.
C. By <mustum> is understood fresh juice from grapes or juice preserved by suspending its fermentation (by means of freezing or other methods which do not alter its nature).
D. In general, those who have received permission to use <mustum> are prohibited from presiding at concelebrated Masses. There may be some exceptions however: in the case of a bishop or superior general; or, with prior approval of the ordinary, at the celebration of the anniversary of priestly ordination or other similar occasions. In these cases the one who presides is to communicate under both the species of bread and that of <mustum>, while for the other concelebrants a chalice shall be provided in which normal wine is to be consecrated.
E. In the very rare instances of laypersons requesting this permission, recourse must be made to the Holy See.
III. Common Norms
A. The ordinary must ascertain that the matter used conforms to the above requirements.
B. Permissions are to be given only for as long as the situation continues which motivated the request.
C. Scandal is to be avoided.
D. Given the centrality of the celebration of the eucharist in the life of the priest, candidates for the priesthood who are affected by celiac disease or suffer from alcoholism or similar conditions may not be admitted to holy orders.
E. Since the doctrinal questions in this area have now been decided, disciplinary competence is entrusted to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.
F. Concerned episcopal conferences shall report to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments every two years regarding the application of these norms.
With warm regards and best wishes, I am
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect
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33 posted on
08/12/2004 11:10:59 AM PDT by
NYer
(When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
To: sidewalk
39 posted on
08/12/2004 11:13:23 AM PDT by
conservonator
(Blank by popular demand)
To: sidewalk
I'll get jumped for saying this, but I don't think He would care if they substituted a bowl of Crunch Berries if the intent was the same.
Isn't this a case of mistaking the map for the territory?
To: sidewalk
The Church should worry about the judgement of Jesus for homosexual acts and pedohile priests, rather than the contents of an 8 year olds communion wafer.
This is beyond belief! Jesus only wants us to share in His Saving Grace in this sharing of the signs of His Body and Blood through bread and wine, not to worship a ritual of eating only wheat wheat wafers. What next do we hav to figure out if the wine was Mogen David or Chianti?
Ops4 God BLess America!
79 posted on
08/12/2004 11:41:52 AM PDT by
OPS4
To: sidewalk
To: sidewalk
Gee, the Eucharist always generates an 'animated' discussion.
The Christian charity is always impressive.
Post #2 covered the problem raised by the girl's medical condition.
To: sidewalk
Why doesn't momma just sue the Church and force the Courts to make us recognize whatever they say as the Body of Christ.
I feel for the girl, but she can still partake of the wine, or who knows, even a small grain of the host?
To: sidewalk
Folks, the people that report this issue are doing it solely to divide us -- and it's working. Look at this thread.
To: All
Some of the people who are trashing the Catholic Church on this thread for their allegedly "pharisaical" rules might reflect that the Jews have, since time immemorial, insisted that "kosher for Passover" matzos contain two ingredients, and only two:
wheat flour and water.
It is beyond all dispute that the bread used at the Last Supper would have been made from wheat flour and water.
This little girl can receive the whole Christ under the form of wine; that is Catholic dogma. Her mother evidently has issues with Catholicism per se.
268 posted on
08/12/2004 4:06:31 PM PDT by
Campion
To: sidewalk
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that the Protestant obsessives here are arguing about the legitimacy of certain types of Communion, when most of them don't even believe in it?
To: sidewalk
I'm sorry, but Christ will be present in a properly consecrated rice cracker!
Do we really believe He'd withhold Himself from a child?
292 posted on
08/12/2004 5:00:34 PM PDT by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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