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To: sidewalk

I don't get it. Thru TransSubstantiation, the priest changes the wafer & wine into the actual body & blood of Christ, according to Church teachings.

The actual body and blood of Christ didn't contain wheat then. Why should it now?

Considering the special circumstances here, I'm stunned that they'd rather invalidate the actions of a small child rather than do what God would want them to.

As if God cares about wheatless wafers. Sheesh!


9 posted on 08/12/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by Blzbba (John Kerry - Dawn of a New Error.)
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To: Blzbba

You now speak for God. That is protestantism, or should I say moral relativism?


26 posted on 08/12/2004 11:07:09 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: Blzbba
I don't get it. Thru TransSubstantiation, the priest changes the wafer & wine into the actual body & blood of Christ, according to Church teachings.

The actual body and blood of Christ didn't contain wheat then. Why should it now?

Transubstantiation means that the substance of the bread and wine are changed in the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But the accidents remain.

The accidents are the actual appearance of the thing, while the substance are what the thing is. So after transubstantiation, it still, looks, feels, tastes, and acts just like bread and wine, even though we believe what it is has become Christ.

We don't believe the bread and wine are an illusion - a trick of our minds or some other monstrous belief; but rather that the whole Christ is a new reality underneath the appearances of bread and wine.

So if you are allergic to wheat or alcohol, you will have still have a difficult time receiving Holy Communion. You receive the reality of Christ, but the physicality of the bread and wine.

The presence of Christ is the spiritual reality. The appearance of bread is the physical reality.

We believe Christ is physically present, but He is not physically apparent. You still see bread and wine, and it still tastes like bread and wine. It is in fact still bread and wine by all outward appearances.

I hope this aides your understanding of what we believe.

51 posted on 08/12/2004 11:25:43 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Blzbba

You're right--you don't get it. All matter is comprised of substance and accident. The concept of Transubstantiation means that the accidents of wheat--color, taste, shape, etc., remain the same, but the substance--the essence of wheatness--is changed into the Body of Jesus. "Wheatness" per se no longer exists after the Consecration.


52 posted on 08/12/2004 11:28:21 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Blzbba
As if God cares about wheatless wafers. Sheesh!

Do you think God would mind celebrating Holy Communion with doritos tortilla chips, chocolate chip cookies, pizza, crabcakes, deep fried chicken, or a pastrami on rye? They all have grain don't they?

If not, where exactly is the line drawn between wheaten bread and all other foods as to what is and is not acceptable for use at the celebration of the Lord's Supper, and why?

53 posted on 08/12/2004 11:28:42 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Blzbba

Would you please go away! This is a family matter.


158 posted on 08/12/2004 1:21:06 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Blzbba
"They" didn't invalidate the actions of a child. The action was invalid from the start. If it wasn't wheat (and only wheat) the sacrament is invalid. Has absolutely nothing to do with the child. No secret here. It's called "invalid matter" and invalidates any supposed transubstantiation. Sounds like, nobody in that parish has received Holy Communion for a long time.

Anybody (like her mother) doesn't like it, she needs argue with Christ, not the priest or bishop. Neither have any authority to do otherwise.
485 posted on 08/13/2004 4:27:37 PM PDT by GlennD
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