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8-year-old's first Holy Communion invalidated by Church
Newsday ^ | August 12, 2004 | John Curran

Posted on 08/12/2004 10:41:10 AM PDT by sidewalk

BRIELLE, N.J. -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot consume wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained none, violating Catholic doctrine. Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition _ celiac sprue disease _ should not exclude her from participating in the sacrament, in which Roman Catholics eat consecrated wheat-based wafers to commemorate the last supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

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To: r9etb
As for me, I think an insistence on wheat (and not some other sort of bread) is indeed quite pharasaical.

Agreed

281 posted on 08/12/2004 4:44:47 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: Lilllabettt
Well, according to the article:

"The Diocese of Trenton has told Waldman's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten host, drink wine at communion or abstain entirely, but that any host without gluten does not qualify as Holy Communion.

While I understand the theology, I'm not well acquainted with this ritual. But it seems clear from the article that what she participates in does NOT qualify as Holy Communion. This is not coming from someone who isn't in the know. This is coming from a Diocese.

Joh 6:53-54 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

According to Catholic interpretation, I guess this little girl is just out of luck. I wonder how other Catholics would feel if they had an eight year old daughter with this condition?

282 posted on 08/12/2004 4:47:52 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: HarleyD

The girl can participate with her friends and classmates. The only difference is when it comes time she would receive the wine only while her classmates receive the consecrated Host.

This is not as big a deal as the mother is making it out to be. All she had to do was discuss it with the priest beforehand and arrangements would have been made.


283 posted on 08/12/2004 4:50:26 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: gbcdoj
I will submit this question to a Canon Lawyer. My solution was pastoral, if the mother insists on a host. I'm not going to argue with her over it, yet the child receives the Real Presence via intinction.

OTOH, if the mother were more rational and mature (she's only 30, for heaven's sake) she would accept the consecrated wine for her daughter.

284 posted on 08/12/2004 4:50:31 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Who is the father of the Sons of Zebedee"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Conservative til I die
I care because being raised Catholic, I know how the communion is used as a 'membership right' rather than a 'union' with Christ. It continues to divide Catholics from the Body of Christ, but it is your church's choose. I only honor your wishes when I attend a mass and then so many catholics (and a few priests) get upset for those of us not participating as if we made your rules ...

.. confusing church that makes rules, selectively enforces, selectively enforces many of the wrong ones (no wheat, no communion little girl), etc.

But then again, you are correct, why should I care since it's your church.

285 posted on 08/12/2004 4:53:01 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: Kackikat

"Jesus did not say our unleavened bread had to be made from wheat"

He didn't need to! Unleavened bread, in the biblical understanding of the term, IS made of wheat.

It's the IS that is the issue.

I don't know how powerful you think we think the Pope is - but he is really not as powerful as you seem to think he is.

He can't change the IS of anything so that at one moment it IS one thing and the next it IS something else, apart from his participation in the Eucharist when, acting in the person of Christ, the IS of the bread and the IS of the wine is changed into the Body and Blood of Christ.

Even then, it is not the Pope or the priest who changes the IS, but it is Christ and His power acting in them.

The Pope is certainly not able to change the IS of rice cakes to make them into the IS of bread. Or the IS of grape juice into the IS of wine.

He has no power to change the IS of a falsehood into the IS of a truth. He is just as bound by the natural law as we all are.

You seem to ascribe much greater powers to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church than any Catholic believes in!!!


286 posted on 08/12/2004 4:53:03 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Flying Circus
Go here for Ratzinger's letter.
287 posted on 08/12/2004 4:53:59 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Who is the father of the Sons of Zebedee"?--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

"There are still pieces missing from this story. Maybe momma's working a power play against the Church."

Yes, I think you are correct.


288 posted on 08/12/2004 4:55:39 PM PDT by johnb2004
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To: NYer; ninenot

You may wish to read the article again. It says the girl cannot take wheat even in a low glutoness format. The standards you've posted says that there must be at least some amount of wheat content. What you posted confirms what the article is saying.


289 posted on 08/12/2004 4:56:22 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: AgThorn

HoW? The Church is custodian of the faith. It has no authority to change the matter used to confect the Eucharist.


290 posted on 08/12/2004 4:57:34 PM PDT by johnb2004
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To: Buggman

The RCC is Christ's church. The only one He founded. If you disagree with Her teachings on faith and morals, then you disagree with Christ.


291 posted on 08/12/2004 4:58:29 PM PDT by johnb2004
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To: sidewalk
I'm sorry, but Christ will be present in a properly consecrated rice cracker!

Do we really believe He'd withhold Himself from a child?
292 posted on 08/12/2004 5:00:34 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: HarleyD
Joh 6:53-54 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

Oh the irony of an Evangelical quoting this verse to us to prove a point about everlasting life.

If you believe in this verse so strongly, why don't you have Communion?

According to Catholic interpretation, I guess this little girl is just out of luck. I wonder how other Catholics would feel if they had an eight year old daughter with this condition?

Exposing your ignorance to the world again, I see. Putting aside the idea of God's infinite mercy, partaking of the wine is sufficient. That's putting aside God's mercy to people that are unable to do certain things that are part of our religion.

BTW, don't you have something involving your own religion that you could be doing right now?
293 posted on 08/12/2004 5:01:41 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: AgThorn

WWJD is a bad way to lead a Christian life. Like protestantism, it leads to moral relativism. We know what Jesus asks of us. He founded one church with a living authority that will last to the end of human history. The Catholic Church speaks as Christ on faith and morals. Jesus would do as we should do...obey.


294 posted on 08/12/2004 5:02:34 PM PDT by johnb2004
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To: sidewalk

Glad I switched over to something more sane... Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.


295 posted on 08/12/2004 5:03:15 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John lies!)
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To: johnb2004
"There are still pieces missing from this story. Maybe momma's working a power play against the Church." - Yes, I think you are correct.

I find the Catholics on this board extremely insensitive to this little girl's condition and quite frankly its appalling. I wonder how many of you if you had a little girl in this same condition would say, "Sorry dear, but you can't partake." as you eat your wafer and took a sip of wine? Instead of focusing on this problem you try to blame the mother who is only trying to help raise her daughter in the faith. If this isn't a reminder of the Pharisees living by the law I don't know what is. You should all be ashamed.

296 posted on 08/12/2004 5:04:52 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Romulus; Askel5; Pyro7480; narses; sandyeggo; eastsider; Marcellinus; AKA Elena; Domestic Church; ..
"Wheat" is used in ecclesiastical documents to signify several different kinds of grain for the better part of 1900 years depending which Rite of the Church one is in. The strict interpretation of "wheat" presents a danger because Triticale is something more than wheat, yet chances are that is what is in your Communion Host.

Teff in Ethiopia has been the dominant grain used for making bread and would be understood in Amharic in the way "wheat" is used in English although Teff is not wheat precisely. Those who suffer from celiac sprue disease in many cases do not have any reaction to Teff (or amaranth), and it would be worth exploring with the appropriate dicastery the use of a Teff based Communion host by bringing together secular scientific competence with ecclesiastical liturgical historians as well as others. Such a decision requires more minds, with greater expertise and broader vision. If Teff is not suitable, then there is amaranth, and certainly there are questions about the use of common spelt and the relatively recently discoverd Etruscan spelta for Communion hosts that should be made clear as well.

If an answer cannot be worked out within the Latin rite -- and that would not be surprising to some -- then perhaps the Ethiopian Catholics or one of the other Eastern Catholic Churches might have an answer for a child suffering from this terrible disease.

I would think this is worth exploring bearing in mind the tremendous responsibility to Our Lord and to the souls for whom He died.

297 posted on 08/12/2004 5:04:56 PM PDT by Maeve (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!)
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To: HarleyD
find the Catholics on this board extremely insensitive to this little girl's condition and quite frankly its appalling.

How pathetic. Using the little girl for your purposes. You couldn't care one whit about this girl, except for exploiting her. Because when it comes down to it, in the end, she's a Catholic just like the rest of us, and that is anathema to you.
298 posted on 08/12/2004 5:06:53 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: FormerLib
I'm sorry, but Christ will be present in a properly consecrated rice cracker!

Thanks for your input, Pope FormerLib.
299 posted on 08/12/2004 5:09:22 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping on this one.. my daughter has celiac disease and CANNOT have any food that contains wheat or she would get VERY ILL... this is NOT a food alergy.. it is an AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE... for a celiac eating glutten is the same as eating POISEN... the body treats GLUTTEN as such, and is very harmful to the digestive system..... there IS a way to make GLUTTEN-FREE bread, and IMHO, the chuch should make the exception..

FReegards,

David

300 posted on 08/12/2004 5:09:33 PM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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