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Non-Christian Franciscans!? (Scary Incident While Waiting to Enter Rotunda)
myself | 6/10/2004 | Pyro7480

Posted on 06/10/2004 8:46:27 AM PDT by Pyro7480

In the early morning hours today, 10 June, I was waiting in line with thousands of other mourners on the National Mall in Washington, DC to enter the Capitol Rotunda to pay our respects to our beloved former President, Ronald Reagan. As I entered the queue, I saw two women dressed in Franciscan habits, or at least what I thought were Franciscan habits. As the passed by me in the other direction, I asked to join them in their part of the line. I was wearing a crucifix around my neck which I showed to them. I asked them what religious congregation they were members of. They initial said Third Order Franciscans. I thought it was a bit odd that Third Order Franciscans were wearing habits (they did so in the past, but not often recently). They said they were from Switzerland, and they talked with thick German Swiss accents. The two of them had short hair (to be blunt, butch). One of them called herself "Reverend" and I later noticed that she had a "Roman" collar on.

As I talked to them, and as a UPI correspondent interviewed them for a story she was doing about the people lining upm I gathered that they weren't Catholic at all. They explained that they were from a group called "The Brotherhood of Humanity," and that they were in at least 60 countries worldwide. Their national HQ is in the DC area. After the one "nun" gave her a card that had their "moral compass" on it, I asked for a copy for myself. Since it was past midnight, I had a hard time reading it at first. I saw Matthew 5:16 on the top of the card, and a quote from Handhi a the bottom. But as we past in area lit by flood lamps, I read the "fine print" on the card. It stated that that the card was printed by:
"The Brotherhood of Humanity: The Third Order Franciscan World Mission Endeavour of The Universal Church - The Church for a new World Order. It also gave their mailing address and e-mail address for the organization.

After hearing all of this, I pretty much stopped talking to them. Later, two individuals who were behind me came up to them, with the same thought as I had at first about them. One of them, a woman in her late twenties, ended up talking to them for quite some time as we moved closer to the Capitol. She was/is in the Legion of Mary, and she was on fire! She tried hard to evangelize them. I assisted her at a few points. This "Brotherhood," apparently, don't believe in the Holy Trinity. Instead, they believe in a dualistic "God" who is both Father and Mother. She ended up giving one of them her Miraculous Medal. As the two "nuns" progressed ahead of us in the line, I ended up talking to the young woman for the rest of the time we were there.

In a sleep-deprived state today, I did a Google search for this organization. All I could find in my search so far is the following link: The World Foundation for Natural Science

In this modernistic age, there are definitely some scary manifestations of the peversion of Christian religion. This is one of them.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; franciscan; modernism; newworldorder
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; All
Does anyone know anything about the Focolare Movement? I'm asking because they seem to be going in this same general direction as these new world order nuns.

I have a daughter-in-law who comes from a family heavily involved in the Focolare. Although they are good, God-fearing people I never talk religion or politics with them and so what I know I have learned through my son and daughter-in-law.

A couple of years before 9-11, the Focolare's founder began some sort of an alliance with Muslims. My son tells me now that there are Muslims, Lutherans, and at least one atheist living in community in Focolare houses.

41 posted on 06/10/2004 12:23:28 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: dangus
Sounds like a group in Nebraska. They have a monastery out by Geneva, which says Catholic something or other. In fact, it is one of those Neo Gnostic groups. They rented out a retreat house where my friend used to work.

When the owners figured out who they were (after the fact), there was a lot of screaming. Turns out they used the retreat for a ritual orgy.

By the way, what is Agenda 21? I would rather not go to this pagan website and give them the traffic.
42 posted on 06/10/2004 12:51:49 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: dangus
Sounds like a group in Nebraska. They have a monastery out by Geneva, which says Catholic something or other. In fact, it is one of those Neo Gnostic groups. They rented out a retreat house where my friend used to work.

When the owners figured out who they were (after the fact), there was a lot of screaming. Turns out they used the retreat for a ritual orgy.

By the way, what is Agenda 21? I would rather not go to this pagan website and give them the traffic.
43 posted on 06/10/2004 12:52:16 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: dangus

hmm...really? What is agenda 21?


44 posted on 06/10/2004 1:24:59 PM PDT by johnb2004
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To: redgolum

A sorta modern day "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"-type plan, (not that it says that the leaders of the world are Jewish) that would use the UN and other world organizations to create a global socialist dystopia. Suppoosedly the big meeting took place in 1992.


45 posted on 06/10/2004 1:25:33 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

It was the policy proposal that came out of the UN conference for environment held at Rio de Janeiro in 1992 (can't remember the exact name - I remember this from a 1st year engineering environmentalism course I did many years ago). What that document covered is essentially the usual "eco-friendly" things like the so-called sustainable development. Don't laugh at that - many of the West's city-level councils take it seriously and most policy recommendations at that level are already reality around the world.


46 posted on 06/10/2004 5:39:39 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: Pyro7480
Non-Christian Franciscans!? (Scary Incident While Waiting to Enter Rotunda)

Hmm. Non-Catholic Franciscans... I'll have to file it under my special section for Oxymoronic Self-Negating Deviant Sub-Cultures.
Along with American Communists, Pro-abortion Catholics, Jewish Nazis, Black Confederates, Male Lesbians and Honest Politicians.

47 posted on 06/10/2004 6:12:21 PM PDT by TradicalRC (From big government conservatives, good Lord deliver us.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Ping.

This is just the sort of thing I know you'll enjoy.

Okay, Truth time: I just drew your attention to it because I like to see those wisps of smoke come out of your ears while your eyes turn into pinwheels.


48 posted on 06/10/2004 6:17:17 PM PDT by TradicalRC (From big government conservatives, good Lord deliver us.)
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To: Pyro7480

Witches-,God bless them,mixed up.


49 posted on 06/10/2004 8:22:30 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: Pyro7480

How strange. I haven't heard of this lovely little group of new agers.


50 posted on 06/10/2004 8:55:26 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP Governor/President Reagan, ride peacefully into that sunset.)
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To: Pyro7480

read later


51 posted on 06/10/2004 9:34:49 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Pyro7480; bets; ExSoldier; sauropod; shaggy eel; 2sheep; hope; B4Ranch; Scholastic; Free the USA; ..

"The Brotherhood of Humanity: The Third Order Franciscan World Mission Endeavour of The Universal Church - The Church for a new World Order.


52 posted on 06/10/2004 9:45:15 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: TradicalRC
A "cult" perhaps?

As the institutional forms of Christianity decline in their influence over contemporary society, you end up with a lot of people disconnected spiritually looking for alternatives. New Age religions, Eastern mysticism, cults, astrology, and the various psychobabble ideologies tend to fill this void. It's not the first time that aspects of Catholic or Christian symbolism have been used for one of these.

That jargon about "New World Order" is so hollow and crass. It can mean just about anything people want it to mean - global socialism, a global market economy, a new paradigm in science, ecological notions, alternative sexuality, utopianism, etc. But if the people using such slogans do not even understand the "old world order" it ends up being rather meaningless and just adding to confusion.

Trying to find some alternative to mechanized scientism is a valid inquiry. Not sure that's all that is involved with this group though. As would seem to be obvious from the vague quasi-religious claims. Interesting that Catholic religious garb has some symbolic meaning for them.I was almost expecting a "May the Force be with you" greeting.

53 posted on 06/11/2004 6:05:55 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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By the way, what is Agenda 21?

Guys, "Agenda 21" is a United Nations agenda to bring land ownership and/or control into the hands of government at whatever level. For now. As time passes, all governments will be controlled centrally. The "NWO". Henry Lamb heads an organization at http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/ that is VERY informative about the subject, with an alternative called "Freedom" 21. I hope you visit the site. Peace and love, George.

54 posted on 06/12/2004 3:55:43 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: TradicalRC

I am equally surprised to hear of this wierd group> But the concept of non- christian Franciscans is not new to me. They administer lots of parishes in the arch of Ny (that is sardonic humor!!!!)But seriously, many have misused the name of Francis of Assisi in the cause of earth worship, Gaia worship, paganism, etc. But this group of "womeyn" is both puzzling and scary? The question before the house is this: who deve;oped this - is in charge of it?


55 posted on 06/12/2004 11:28:16 AM PDT by thor76
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
That jargon about "New World Order" is so hollow and crass. It can mean just about anything people want it to mean - global socialism, a global market economy, a new paradigm in science, ecological notions, alternative sexuality, utopianism, etc. But if the people using such slogans do not even understand the "old world order" it ends up being rather meaningless and just adding to confusion.

NWO does serve a useful purpose: it attempts to bring together under one umbrella designation the various contemporary streams of modernism, humanism, secularism, atheism, neo-paganism, neo-gnosticism ad infinitum, ad nauseum. This would be useful if we stop trying to behead the Hydra and begin the Herculean task of strangling the Beast. The "old world order" was in fact multicultural. So I'm not sure what specifically you're defining as the "old world order".

Trying to find some alternative to mechanized scientism is a valid inquiry.

Yes it is. The mechanical view of the universe is useful for as far as it got us, it is when it cannot account for certain empirical data that we need to recognize its limits. Part of the problem I see with the sciences is their lack of recognition of the debt they owe to the Roman Catholic Church in general and the Scholastic Saints in particular. Galileo seems to be their patron saint. I am also bothered by the fact that science no longer serves God, but man. New paradigm or not if that doesn't change, cui bono?

It'll merely be Paradigm Lost all over again.

56 posted on 06/12/2004 6:16:06 PM PDT by TradicalRC (From big government conservatives, good Lord deliver us.)
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