There was another thread today about an athiest who had such a terrifying NDE that he later became a minister. I thought Freepers would be interested in the unusual experience of A. J. Ayers, the most famous atheist of the last half of the 20th century who also had such an experience and how it affected him. Ayers was a remarkable man ( the story hints at his unusual love life) in many ways. Philospher, developer of language theory, writer, poet and more. Even those who disagreed with him found him charming, kind and very likable. The debate still rages, did Ayers really change after his experience? I think so.
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To: catonsville
Near-death is the key phrase. Nobody has returned from the dead since the resurrection of Christ. Unless you count ghosts who, technically, are still dead.
2 posted on
02/04/2004 5:29:11 PM PST by
luvbach1
(In the know on the border)
To: catonsville
Thanks for posting. I guess he never became a Christian after his near-death experience?
To: catonsville
Descriptions of NDEs have been so widely published for so long that no 'testimony' of this sort can be regarded, on the basis of choosing the simplest explanation, as anything except a false memory induced by urban myth.
That said, accounts of NDEs from before they became so widely discussed do sound a lot like this.
6 posted on
02/04/2004 5:46:07 PM PST by
Grut
To: catonsville
Thank you for this thread, very interesting.
My favorite line, though, is, "Freddie became so much nicer after he died," said Dee."
7 posted on
02/04/2004 5:49:53 PM PST by
xJones
To: catonsville
"Freddie became so much nicer after he died,"PLEASE DON'T PRAY FOR ME!
8 posted on
02/04/2004 5:53:04 PM PST by
jaz.357
(Pacifism is the greatest tool in the hands of a faschist. - Mike Muir)
To: catonsville
I read a book by an agnostic Doctor who worked with terminally ill children.
She was converted to Christianity due to many of these children testifying that they had spiritual encounters with Christ before their deaths.
The book was wonderful and honest. Titled " A Window to Heaven".
17 posted on
02/04/2004 6:25:30 PM PST by
Jorge
To: catonsville
Is this NDE day? I just got through reading another thread on FR on the same subject. Paging Art Bell.
To: catonsville
John 10 : 24-31
24: Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt?If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25: Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not:the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26: But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you
27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow after me.
26: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand
30: I and my Father are one
31: And then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.........
Faith is a gift of God....man is saved by grace..lest any man should boast
21 posted on
02/04/2004 6:49:45 PM PST by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: catonsville
Deprive a brain of oxygen and it starts to imagine all sorts of wacked-out, crazy things. These patients (Ayers included) had experiences that were nearly identical to those of astronauts who passed out during high-G training. It doesn't pass muster for proof of an afterlife, just another example of the perceptual gymnastics that the brain is capable of.
To: catonsville
Do you have a link?
There was another thread today about an athiest who had such a terrifying NDE that he later became a minister.
27 posted on
02/04/2004 7:45:45 PM PST by
GOPJ
(MTV Flash --Grown men don't watch porn/whores with their mothers, wives, and children in the room)
To: catonsville
Thank you very much for posting this! I have read much about A.J. Ayer and consider him the "purest" atheist I know about, in that he thought the very concept of God was preposterous. (This is in contrast to one of his fellow philosophers, Isaiah Berlin, who was an agnostic but wasn't opposed to others' believing in God.)
Your post fascinated me.
28 posted on
02/04/2004 7:55:00 PM PST by
utahagen
To: catonsville
bump to save
32 posted on
02/04/2004 8:11:31 PM PST by
WKB
(3!~)
To: catonsville
Clinton OD'd on crack?
To: dighton; general_re; Thinkin' Gal
"I found a lot of secretions and sputum but the smoked salmon was a red herring."Fishy sentence ping.
38 posted on
02/04/2004 8:39:38 PM PST by
aculeus
To: catonsville
read later
To: catonsville
I thought I was the World's most famous atheist.
57 posted on
02/05/2004 2:23:26 AM PST by
12B
To: catonsville
Sorry that this might be slightly off-topic, but if anyone can help me here, it's FReepers!
Who knows anything about Evelyn Waugh? I have read his book entitled "When The Going Was Good" which is a collection of writings from a few of his books at the time, mostly about travel in Africa and South America. I found him to be a fantastic author and every so often, in circumstances such as this, I find weird references to him. What did he do besides write books and work as a newspaper correspondant?
Anyone who has any info on the man please let me know. I'm hitting Google right now...
69 posted on
02/05/2004 7:26:14 AM PST by
bc2
(http://thinkforyourself.us)
To: catonsville
"Ayer's article, with his vivid memory of being pulled toward a red light, 'exceedingly bright, and also very painful,'" Hmmmmm.... doesn't sound like Heaven.
;)
73 posted on
02/05/2004 9:56:13 AM PST by
pax_et_bonum
(Always finish what you st)
To: catonsville
Ayer's article, with his vivid memory of being pulled toward a red light, "exceedingly bright, and also very painful," Is it just me or does this strike anyone else as not being a good thing?
To: catonsville
**What I Saw When I Was Dead, about his bizarre visit to the other side and how, as a humanist philosopher, it had affected his view of death.**
Will finish reading later.
88 posted on
02/06/2004 5:48:04 AM PST by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
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