The anti-Catholicism of the "National Catholic Reporter"

[Askel5]

=== NCR is the paper of choice in lots of chanceries, education offices, and parish offices.

Of course it is ... all Emperors and their obsequious staff love to hear how fine are the Emperor's New Clothes.

[SuziQ]

The unfortunate thing is that the new translations, or the return to old translations, is being done in the style of the pre-Vatican II church, heavy-handed and at the whim of those in power.

That statement more accurately describes the way the changes were made 'in the spirit of Vatican II', but that had no connection at all to the Documents themselves. It will take years to roll back the stupidity and blandness that passes for Liturgy in some areas today.

Dont' get me wrong, I'm not a Latin Mass fan. I don't remember the Latin Mass that well, I was 12 when Mass began to be said in English, and that is the way in which I'm more comfortable. I think many who want the Mass in Latin are just yearning for some seriousness and sacredness in the Mass, both of which you can get in a vernacular Mass, if done prayerfully.

[SuziQ]

At the end of the day, however, even the staunchest defenders of John Paul tend to acknowledge that the Catholic church has a problem with women

Oh really, Mr. Allen? I haven't had any problems with the Church, and I've been active in my Parishes since I was a teenager, 35 yrs. ago! The problem I have with some women in the Church is when they want the Church to change to suit themselves and their chosen lifestyles rather than looking at how they might change their selfish and sinful ways to live in the Lord.

[lainde]

bttt

[redgolum]

Rev. Martin E. Marty, Lutheran theologian, associate editor of the Christian Century and a member of the faculty at the University of Chicago;

Never heard of that guy, but I can bet he is NOT one of the orthodox Lutherans.

Hey, if you can keep him on that side of the Tiber, we would appreciate it! /Sarcasm

[johnb2004]

The Vatican allows bishops to teach heresy, why would they care about a newspaper?

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

You would have loved the frontpage of the Metro section today in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. A woman dressed in a white alb with a multi-covered stole reading from a prayer book with a number of other women behind her also wearing purple stoles. A few signs in the background called for women's ordination, etc. They were marching to the front of St. John the Evangelist to protest and call for their ordination, not what I need to see first thing in the morning. If you want to post the picture, that would be great, I don't know how.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Over 100,000 Catholics, worldwide, would disagree with you.

That's it? My hometown newspaper has about that many people reading it. That's what all your blustering is about this seminal piece of Catholic publication? There's a billion Catholics, this continual rationalizing you've done on this thread is nothing more than pacifying the reactionary distancing the conservative Catholic majority has been having for years against the louder liberal Catholics. It is impossible. The left within the church is destined to go farther left, already making itself unrespectable.

As no doubt a subscriber yourself, I would expect nothing less than your defensiveness, however it appears misguided.

[sinkspur]

The NCR has double the subscription numbers, worldwide, of the nearest "conservative" publication, such as the Wanderer.

If you don't like the NCR, don't read it. In fact, why even come on a thread like this, except to bluster?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

The NCR has double the subscription numbers

Still paltry, if I trust your 100,000 stat, so hardly there is any threat to Catholicism in justifying this publication.

If you don't like the NCR, don't read it. In fact, why even come on a thread like this, except to bluster?

Such defensiveness...yes I do avoid NCR, their opinions are too secularist, pretentious points too muddled, and prose too pretentious and self congradulatory to ever withstand repeated viewing. I pity anyone who reads that rag who believes it has anymore religious credability than USA Today.

But attempting to use my word of "bluster" against me, otherwise known as the Pee Wee Herman School of debate. It was not I who attempted to rebuke anyone on the thread who challenged the legitimacy of this liberal paper, I merely pointed out a fatal flaw in your overarching rationalizations for this paper.

It appears your hyperdefensiveness on this topic has hardened your heart. Pray about it "Deacon"

[sinkspur]

It was not I who attempted to rebuke anyone on the thread who challenged the legitimacy of this liberal paper, I merely pointed out a fatal flaw in your overarching rationalizations for this paper.

LOL!! It bugs you that the NCR is more widely read than any other Catholic paper.

It is you who are rationalizing.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

LOL!! It bugs you that the NCR is more widely read than any other Catholic paper.

No, perhaps you are confusing me with someone else, I say to you again, (as was my original point) that 100,000 is rather irrelevant in the scheme of things. I'm not saying that the Wanderer is more relevant, it is less so, but your rationalizing that this paper in any way is "needed" in the Catholic community of around 1 billion to communicate is a gross overstatement.

What's worse, the continual attempt to mollify those on here speaking out against this clearly small, yet so call Catholic publication is counterproductive in the long run to both Catholicism and conservatism.

[NYer]

You would have loved the frontpage of the Metro section today in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. A woman dressed in a white alb with a multi-covered stole reading from a prayer book with a number of other women behind her also wearing purple stoles. A few signs in the background called for women's ordination, etc.

Spare me! They don't understand that the Catholic Church can NEVER ordain women to the priesthood. If they want to minister to a congregation, let them leave and become protestant ministers, rather than force their belief system on us.

I searched the online edition but found no picture. This one will have to do, as a substitute. Caution! It may cause your lunch to lurch ... ;-D

The Rev Mary Ramerman Celebrates First Mass At Spiritus Christi

Old Catholic Denomination Ordains Female Priest

(For those who are not aware, the Old Catholic Church is in schism. Without structures or seminaries to create continuity, the Old Catholic movement has become a refuge for every kind of Catholic schismatic for all kinds of different reasons.)

[sinkspur]

What's worse, the continual attempt to mollify those on here speaking out against this clearly small, yet so call Catholic publication is counterproductive in the long run to both Catholicism and conservatism.

I'm not trying to mollify anybody.

They have their opinions, I have mine. I thought that's what this forum is about, expressing opinions.

[m4629]

They have their opinions, I have mine. I thought that's what this forum is about, expressing opinions.

Nah, not quite that simple sinky.

The good bishop Helmsing's condemnation of NCR stands, more so today even, than back in 1968.

You are making lame excuse of spewing and endorsing Rat Poison for souls. Be honest about it.

[sinkspur]

You don't like NCR, don't read it.

I'm sure you don't.

[m4629]

You don't like NCR, don't read it.

Ah, I see. That's like "if you people don't want to take the Rat Poison, don't touch it. But don't bother those spreading the poison."

We know your game sinky. And we are here to expose it.

[sinkspur]

That's like "if you people don't want to take the Rat Poison, don't touch it. But don't bother those spreading the poison."

If NCR was not meeting a need, it wouldn't exist.

It's a privately-owned newspaper. No one is forced to read it or subscribe to it.

I have no "game," m. You can't tolerate someone who doesn't see the world through your narrow viewpoint.

You also have no use for due process in law.

Read the article I'm about to post from the NCR about what some conservative canonists have to say about the Church's "zero tolerance" policy. They believe, almost unanimously, that the American Church is not providing legal protections to its priests, protections that have been part of Church Law since the original Code of Canon Law was written.

It's a likely bet that the American bishops will be rebuffed when they go to renew zero tolerance in 2005.

[m4629]

If NCR was not meeting a need, it wouldn't exist.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that "supply and demand excuse".

Didn't Pablo Escobar use that one? You gotta be a big more original sinky.

Just as the government has a duty to control/expose danger to a society, the Church too, does have a duty to expose NCR, as Bishop Helmsing has so courageously done so.

Your ilk is a great affront to our beloved Martyrs of the Faith. Shame on you.

[sinkspur]

Just as the government has a duty to control/expose danger to a society, the Church too, does have a duty to expose NCR, as Bishop Helmsing has so courageously done so.

36 years ago. It appears to have failed.

Your ilk is a great affront to our beloved Martyrs of the Faith. Shame on you.

LOL!!! And your "ilk" is a danger to due process in the Church.