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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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Comment #401 Removed by Moderator

To: drstevej
Just to clarify: An "oxymoron" is different from an oxymormon, right?

[I happen to be the latter.]
402 posted on 01/23/2004 4:55:44 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Then: "Ask not what your country can do for you" Now: "You sit down. You had your say.")
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To: MNLDS
Yes, oxymorons are not oxymormons in my understanding.

I will refrain from asking what an oxymormon might be.

:<)
403 posted on 01/23/2004 5:03:56 PM PST by drstevej
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To: polemikos
So even if we were to arbitrarily throw out 90% of the Protestant denominations as "without distinction", that still leaves 3,000 denominations. (3,001 per Barnacle.) And my point about only one being possibly valid still stands, regardless of the final count, no?

And since you personally decided on the 90% and the 3,000, that makes it so much better than the 13 found in the text.

Or maybe 13 jumped to 3,000. Eh? Is that what you say? How about if you go read the book for actual content rather than aha! statistics?

Next week I might be about to check myself what the new edition says.

404 posted on 01/23/2004 5:07:48 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lead Moderator
**There are some who overuse the abuse button. But the problem isn't just that.**

Meshes with my opinion!
405 posted on 01/23/2004 5:11:52 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
This entire thread puts me in mind of New Year's Day.

I had finally figured out how to post an article from my lame web-tv, so I brazenly put up a story about how some survivors of 9-11 were offended by the self-serving Rose Bowl float Disney had concocted for the parade -- a 10-story, carnation-clad replica of their latest thrill ride, "Towering Something-or-Other," which had little to do with the 2004 theme of "Music, Music, Music."

I awaited applause for my earnest efforts...and waited...and waited...

Finally, someone came on and trashed the thread and me, complaining about "whiners who can't let go."

I tried to explain it wasn't so much the 9-11 angle as Disney's incredible arrogance that seemed so offensive, but freepers would have none of it.

The thread quickly spun out of control, soon becoming one enormous ravaging of those I had sought to help.

Moral of the story -- you can't control what other people think and say unless you hit them over the head with a lamp and cover the body with a rug.

406 posted on 01/23/2004 5:28:57 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe; rwfromkansas
predestined according to God's infinite foreknowledge.

No, counselor. Predestined according to God's sovereign will.

If God had wanted it to occur differently, it would have occurred differently.

New thread; same old error.

407 posted on 01/23/2004 5:51:03 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
web-tv??? Shame on you Dr. E!

408 posted on 01/23/2004 5:54:31 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Moral of the story -- you can't control what other people think and say unless you hit them over the head with a lamp and cover the body with a rug.

You're way behind. Catholics caught on to this technique about 1,700 years ago. :-)

409 posted on 01/23/2004 5:55:45 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The only things that have gotten me in more flame wars than the religion threads are Disney, Harry Potter and Ritalin (discussing, not taking).
410 posted on 01/23/2004 5:56:39 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Virginia Senator John ChaChingChester is TAXING my nerves.)
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To: Fifthmark
DOH! I failed to make the connection. My bad. Disregard my earlier comment.
411 posted on 01/23/2004 5:59:59 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: drstevej
I work on my Toshiba laptop and play on web-tv.

(Think I can sell that jingle?)
412 posted on 01/23/2004 6:04:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: lockeliberty
Since this country was founded by Christians, and this is a conservative forum, why should we be concerned whether those of non-Judeao/Christian beliefs be driven away?

Because the Christians who founded this country didn't write the first amendment just for Christians. They didn't think it was wise to drive away non-Christians. Neither should we.

Is the purpose of the Religon forum for evangelical prostelyzing? It shouldn't be.

The purpose of the Religion forum is what its participants decide it is - as long as its done with decency and decorum.

I'd much rather debate someone who has a passion for his/her beliefs than a post-modern pussy.

You have one chance to convince me that the last word in this sentence was not selected to push my buttons.

413 posted on 01/23/2004 6:05:23 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Barnacle
You just pingged yourself. Is that allowed?

Why not? It's easy, fun and fat free. And best of all violates no Bilical principles!

Here's a better question. What's this about a swarm? Are you a Apitherapist?

Nah, I hate pain. What I do like is a tall glass of Hefe on a hot Texas day.

Like Ben Franklin once said: "Beer is proof that God lives us and wants us to be happy."

414 posted on 01/23/2004 6:05:47 PM PST by Gamecock (It is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church. M Luther)
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To: polemikos
Well the Catholics better hurry up.

With only 220 distinct Catholic denominations they have a long way to go!
415 posted on 01/23/2004 6:07:29 PM PST by Gamecock (It is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church. M Luther)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I'd laugh more, but I have distant Huguenot relatives...8~(
416 posted on 01/23/2004 6:07:31 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
***I work on my Toshiba laptop and play on web-tv. ***

So you are just toying with us? It's getting worse!
417 posted on 01/23/2004 6:08:53 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Unam Sanctam
Mea culpa. I "lost" the proper terminology when roughing out the first draft, used "New Age" as a substitute place marker, but then forgot to go back and change it before posting. No slur or insult intended. Forgive me.
418 posted on 01/23/2004 6:10:04 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: White Mountain
Your #334 is close enough for government work, with the exception that it is not our desire to drive people away. We're hoping that everyone will simply learn to live by the rules of the forum.
419 posted on 01/23/2004 6:12:12 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Invincibly Ignorant
I'd laugh more, but I have distant Huguenot relatives...

Mine got away...

420 posted on 01/23/2004 6:14:20 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Virginia Senator John ChaChingChester is TAXING my nerves.)
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