To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; NYer; Salvation; narses; ninenot; Desdemona; Canticle_of_Deborah
Hate to put a damper on this, but his remains (believed, no way to be 100%) were found in Rome a few decades ago. It had long been tradition that Peter was buried beneath St. Peter's Basilica. Of Course, the first basilica was erected many years after his death (couple hundred) so it was always tradition. However during WWII, when excavations were being done beneath St. Peter's to create more room for crypts for deceased Popes they stumbled upon an amazing discovery. Directly below the High Altar (just as tradition has held), a necropolis was discovered, directly beneath the altar was a little stone that had the name PETRUS written on it and the "Fish." Furthermore, when they dug up the body, it was a body of someone who had been crucified. Later archaeology and historical research revealed that the Necropolis dated from the time of Nero. Thus, making it likely, but sadly, not 100% that this was Peter's resting spot. Just thought I would share, if you are ever in Rome, contact the Vatican Office about the SCAVI, they do tours down there everyday, but it is unadvertised, since they want to do as little disturbance as possible, but the historical value is so vital. God Bless
To: Catholicguy; Land of the Irish
Ping !!!!!!!!!!!
To: NWU Army ROTC
Not to mention that all the NT players were the only ones who ever existed with those names.
Amazing how they all managed to be buried in the same place in Jerusalem despite preaching and dying in foreign lands.
</sarcasm>
25 posted on
11/23/2003 11:04:19 AM PST by
Canticle_of_Deborah
(National health care gives the government the means to kill you when you become too expensive)
To: NWU Army ROTC; Loyalist; xzins; Corin Stormhands
Hate to put a damper on this, but his remains (believed, no way to be 100%) were found in Rome a few decades ago. It had long been tradition that Peter was buried beneath St. Peter's Basilica. Of Course, the first basilica was erected many years after his death (couple hundred) so it was always tradition. However during WWII, when excavations were being done beneath St. Peter's to create more room for crypts for deceased Popes they stumbled upon an amazing discovery. Directly below the High Altar (just as tradition has held), a necropolis was discovered, directly beneath the altar was a little stone that had the name PETRUS written on it and the "Fish." Furthermore, when they dug up the body, it was a body of someone who had been crucified. Later archaeology and historical research revealed that the Necropolis dated from the time of Nero. Thus, making it likely, but sadly, not 100% that this was Peter's resting spot. Just thought I would share, if you are ever in Rome, contact the Vatican Office about the SCAVI, they do tours down there everyday, but it is unadvertised, since they want to do as little disturbance as possible, but the historical value is so vital. God Bless ~~ NWU Army ROTC
St. Peter's bones have already been found in Rome, but what does evidence matter when trying to discredit Matthew 16:18? ~~ Loyalist
And now, as Paul Harvey would say, The Rest Of The Story
- The alleged Bones of Peter in Rome are not those of Simon Bar-Jona, but rather those of two men in their 50s (wrong age) a woman in her 70s (wrong gender) and several animals (wrong species).
In response to mounting demand, however, Pius finally permitted rigorous scientific examination of the bones in 1956. It emerged that the remains were actually bones of three different people, along with scores of animals. Of the humans, two were men in their 50s, and one was a woman in her 70s. Clearly, these were not the fishermans bones.
http://www.catholicdigest.org/stories/200105052a.html
- So which Peter (if any) WAS buried in the Vaticanus Cemetery for high-ranking Pagan Magicians? Well, to put it bluntly -- probably a Pagan Magician. This is because the greatest of Pagan Magicians were often called Pators or Peters.
The pagan priests of the mystery religions were called PATORS or PETERS. They had the power to interpret the heathen mysteries. This is further brought out by Bunson in his Hieroglyph, page 545, where he shows that the Egyptians -- as The Bible also indicates -- called their "interpreters" or priests: PETR, that is, PETER. Notice some references to these sacred PETRAS found throughout the pagan world. At the temple of Delphi in Greece, the chief object in the ritual was the PETRA (Pausanius, Bk. 10). At the Acropolis in Athens, Euripides tells us, the niches which held the idols were called the PETRAE (verse 935). It is well known that even the sacred book which was used in the celebration of the Eleusinian mysteries, was entitled "Book PETROMA," PETER-ROMA -- PETER'S BOOK (see Potter's Antiquities, vol. 1, p. 356). Remember that the pagan temples were also called after the PETERS. The temple at Elis in Greece was called PETRON Lycophron, verse 159). Pytho at Delphi was called PETRAessa (Olymp. Ode 6). The oracle temple dedicated to Apollo in Asia Minor was called the PATARA and the oracle there was called PATAReus ("Eus" means "person who, one") -- (Lempriere's Classical Dictionary, p. 438). Also PATRAE -- an ancient town where DIANA had a temple (p. 438), and the oracle in Achaia was called PATRA (Jones, Proper Names of the Old Testament, p. 296). Examples are too numerous to mention, but this should be enough to show that the name PETER, or its variants, figured very high in every phase of pagan worship. These PETER stones and temples were found all over the ancient world. "There is in the history of every oracular temple some legend about a stone; some reference to the word PETRA" (Bryant, p. 362). The world and history is littered with many example of the term PETER used as a title for a god.
(see the Sword of the Spirit link, posted above)
Its entirely likely that there was a Petrus (or several) buried in the Vaticanus Cemetery; the Vaticanus Cemetery was reserved for high priests and soothsayers of the Pagan Mystery religions, and Pator or Petr was a title given to such Pagan Magicians. What is extremely unlikely is that a Jewish Christian, who directly attacked the Pagan Mystery religions as did Simon Peter Bar-Jonah, would be granted burial in the Vaticanus Cemetery for Pagan Magicians!!
On the other hand -- a Jerusalem cemetery for Jewish Christians? Now thats the sort of place which would (certainly) admit Apostle Simon Peter Bar-Jonah for burial.... just as the archaeological evidence confirms.
And now you know
. The rest of the Story.
best, OP
35 posted on
11/23/2003 12:44:03 PM PST by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
To: NWU Army ROTC
** Directly below the High Altar (just as tradition has held), a necropolis was discovered, directly beneath the altar was a little stone that had the name PETRUS written on it and the "Fish." Furthermore, when they dug up the body, it was a body of someone who had been crucified.**
Bump!
54 posted on
11/23/2003 5:51:48 PM PST by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NWU Army ROTC
According to very old tradition, Peter was executed in Rome (tradition says he was crucified upside down). I cannot see how his body was transported to Jerusalem.
75 posted on
11/24/2003 6:31:47 AM PST by
DonQ
To: NWU Army ROTC
I am always bothered by the fact that they dig up bodies like this. I don't think they should disturb final resting places of anyone, I don' t care how historical. If someone digs up the dead in a graveyard here it is called a crime. I just don't get this idea that mummies are disturbed etc. Call me old fashioned!
366 posted on
11/26/2003 5:24:57 PM PST by
ladyinred
(The Left have blood on their hands!)
To: NWU Army ROTC
Directly below the High Altar (just as tradition has held), a necropolis was discovered, directly beneath the altar was a little stone that had the name PETRUS written on it and the "Fish." Furthermore, when they dug up the body, it was a body of someone who had been crucified. Considering that crucifxion was used by Roman's a lot, is it unusal that they would find a body with crucifixion marks in/under Rome? The fish-like form was a symbol of fruitfulness, and as such was likely to be adopted by seafaring tribes in the representation of their gods, which is why Rome who ruled the seas easily adopted the mystery religion from the Philistines.
Here we see carvings and diagrams of Dagon priests and their fish head hats along side the Pope with his similar fish head hat.
Dagon from the Hebrew
1712 Dagown {daw-gohn'}
Dagon = "a fish"
1) a Philistine deity of fertility; represented with the face and hands of a man and the tail of a fish
388 posted on
11/27/2003 7:32:38 PM PST by
ET(end tyranny)
( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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