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Gay high school eyes level field (Harvey Milk H.S. and sports teams)
New York Daily News ^ | Sept, 28 2003 | Michael O'Keeffe

Posted on 09/28/2003 8:14:15 AM PDT by mountaineer

Like thousands of New York City kids, Kimberly Howard loves basketball and dreams of playing on her high school team. The softspoken 17-year-old sips on a Sprite in a downtown Starbucks and talks about practicing with her brothers and sister on the court next to her Queens home.

"I played on teams when I was younger," says Howard. "But I've never had a chance to play on a high school team."

Howard acknowledges she's not just a typical kid obsessed with hoops. Born male, Howard takes hormones to become female, which, as she points out, raises a unique question:

"Will transgender students be able to play on the girls' teams?"

PSAL officials might have to answer that question soon: Howard's school, Harvey Milk High, the nation's first state-accredited school for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students, hopes to field teams in the city's Public Schools Athletic League as soon as September 2004, according to assistant principal Alan Nolan.

"Eventually we need to be part of the PSAL," says Nolan, who is just getting a physical education program started at Harvey Milk. "There's a great interest from the students in competing in basketball, volleyball and other sports."

Gay advocates cheer Harvey Milk's decision and say the school's sports teams will help do for homosexual high school kids what Jackie Robinson did for African-Americans 50 years ago - break down barriers.

"What a great lesson it would be for a Harvey Milk kid to turn around and hit a three-point shot at the buzzer," says Cyd Zeigler of Outsports.com, a gay-oriented sports website. "Once you get on the field and you see someone kick a field goal or make a great catch, nothing else matters. Other kids will learn they're a lot more like them than they thought."

"When you see a bunch of kids playing basketball, it doesn't matter if they are black or white," agrees author and activist Billy Bean, who came out after playing outfield and first base with the Tigers, Dodgers and Padres from 1987 to 1995. "If you can play, you're accepted."

Nolan says Harvey Milk officials aren't interested in pushing gay pride or any other agenda; they simply want to give their students the same opportunities available to other city school kids, including offering a supportive environment to learn the teamwork, discipline and sense of achievement that sports can teach.

Nolan welcomes the interest; he says the school will need help with funding, coaching and facilities. "There's a lot of goodwill outside the school we will tap into," he says. "I'm confident we'll get the help we will need."

Like Jackie Robinson, the athletes at the nation's first openly gay high school will have to be thick-skinned - gay-bashing protesters came from as far away as California for Harvey Milk's first day of classes - and Cardozo basketball coach Ron Naclerio foresees parent protests and thinks some teams might even choose to forfeit games with a gay team.

"They better have good security," adds basketball recruiting expert Tom Konchalski. "They will take a tremendous amount of abuse from fans."

But other high school sports officials predict the controversy will fade quickly - and perhaps, they add, turn into acceptance, or at least a reluctant respect.

"All children, regardless of orientation, should be able to participate in athletics," says Martin Jacobson, the athletic director at Manhattan's Martin Luther King High School. "I would hope that a coach would use a game against a team from a gay high school as an opportunity to teach tolerance."

Harvey Milk High, founded in 1985 by the non-profit Hetrick-Martin Institute, received $3.2 million from the city Department of Education this summer to fund its transformation from a two-room program with 50 students to a full-fledged high school that will ultimately accommodate 170 kids. Nolan says 107 students are currently enrolled.

Hetrick-Martin spokeswoman Lenette Dorman declined to discuss plans for sports teams with the Daily News, saying school officials have been overwhelmed by the intensive press scrutiny and are wary of critical coverage.

But Nolan, in his first year as assistant principal at the East Village school, agreed to discuss the physical education curriculum he's developed and future plans for athletics.

Now that it's a state-accredited school, Harvey Milk students are required to pass health and physical education classes, Nolan says. School officials hope to use another downtown high school or college gym for volleyball and hoops; until then, they'll continue to clear the furniture from a class room where they'll conduct aerobics, yoga and martial arts classes.

"Right now, we're adapting to the fact there is no gym," Nolan says.

Harvey Milk caters to students who have been emotionally or physically abused at other schools, where locker rooms and gyms are prime real estate for bullies. For many Harvey Milk kids, gym was a class to cut. Howard says the phys ed teacher at her old school told her she didn't have to come to class. "It was like, 'We'll excuse you because you're gay,'" Howard says. "'You don't even have to show up.'"

As a result, many of Harvey Milk's students were gasping for air during their first phys ed classes, and Nolan says his students still complain that he's too hard on them. But he's delighted that those same kids are walking with a newfound swagger. "Their level of fitness has increased tremendously in three weeks," he says. "They have strength and flexibility they never had before. They're very proud of it."

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To: GovernmentShrinker
"Almost certainly, the boy had obvious physical gender abnormalities, and wasn't a full-blown male to begin with."

Maybe that is the case, I hope you are correct, although really, at this point, nothing would surprise me. But even if it was there is a book about a fellow who was born a hermaphrodite, castrated, and raise as a girl. Eventually he found out the truth about himself, and now lives as a man. A damaged man, but a man.

If I had a half a clue as to the title, I'd try and look it up, but I really don't. Maybe someone else here knows of it. It was somewhat big news about 4 or 5 years ago.


21 posted on 09/28/2003 10:01:59 AM PDT by jocon307 (Moving to New Zealand soon (apologies to F. Zappa))
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To: Mike Darancette
Would "Roughing the Passer" be a hate crime?

No doubt, but would a flag be tossed for "backfield in motion"?

22 posted on 09/28/2003 10:45:26 AM PDT by mountaineer
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Ooh, ooh, let me play!

23 posted on 09/28/2003 11:09:05 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: jocon307
"If I had a half a clue as to the title..."

Could it be? -
As Nature Made Him

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/phoenixbookreviews/Reviews/AsNatureMadeHim.html
24 posted on 09/28/2003 11:28:04 AM PDT by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: FormerlyAnotherLurker
TY FAL, I knew his name was David, but that was not the book, thanks for remembering this for me. I also see I remembered the story incorrectly, the poor fellow was NOT a hermaphrodite at all.

This is from the Amazon.com website, their own review (FR & Amazon, perfect together):

Amazon.com
Once you begin reading As Nature Made Him, a mesmerizing story of a medical tragedy and its traumatic results, you absolutely won't want to put it down. Following a botched circumcision, a family is convinced to raise their infant son, Bruce, as a girl. They rename the child Brenda and spend the next 14 years trying to transform him into a her. Brenda's childhood reads as one filled with anxiety and loneliness, and her fear and confusion are present on nearly every page concerning her early childhood. Much of her pain is caused by Dr. Money, who is presented as a villainous medical man attempting to coerce an unwilling child to submit to numerous unpleasant treatments.

Reading over interviews and reports of decisions made by this doctor, it's difficult to contain anger at the widespread results of his insistence that natural-born gender can be altered with little more than willpower and hormone treatments. The attempts of his parents, twin brother, and extended family to assist Brenda to be happily female are touching--the sense is overwhelmingly of a family wanting to do "right" while being terribly mislead as to what "right" is for her. As Brenda makes the decision to live life as a male (at age 14), she takes the name David and begins the process of reversing the effects of estrogen treatments. David's ultimately successful life--a solid marriage, honest and close family relationships, and his bravery in making his childhood public--bring an uplifting end to his story. Equally fascinating is the latest segment of the longtime nature/nurture controversy, and the interviews of various psychological researchers and practitioners form a larger framework around David's struggle to live as the gender he was meant to be. --Jill Lightner
25 posted on 09/28/2003 12:18:28 PM PDT by jocon307 (Moving to New Zealand soon (apologies to F. Zappa))
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To: GovernmentShrinker
At one time, I would have assumed the same. Not any more. Recall that deaf activists want deaf foster children to be restricted to deaf foster parents. Something about protecting a culture. A Polish man kept his 6-year-old in a cage out back.

. Why is it a stretch, anymore, to presume that some rich chicken-hawk wants to play Frankenstein and build his own drag queen, and has enlisted a doctor to help?

We live in a strange world, and it's getting harder to separate fiction from reality.

26 posted on 09/28/2003 12:27:04 PM PDT by jonascord (Don't bother to run, you'll only die tired...)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Almost certainly, the boy had obvious physical gender abnormalities

Nothing in the story indicates this. It's just as likely he's a disturbed young man who thinks hacking off his genitals and growing breasts is going to make him happy.

27 posted on 09/28/2003 12:35:49 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Possibly, but that's usually not the case when a medical doctor prescribes such treatments for a minor. As a minor, this is not a decision made just by the doctor and the child -- the parents had to agree too, and there are VERY few parents who would agree to such a course, in the absence of clear evidence of a problem well beyond the realm of adolescent confusion.
28 posted on 09/28/2003 12:53:49 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mountaineer
"What a great lesson it would be for a Harvey Milk kid to turn around and hit a three-point shot at the buzzer," says Cyd Zeigler of Outsports.com, a gay-oriented sports website.

I can see the headline on the NYTimes sportspage now:

Three Dollar Bill puts Ball in Bucket for Three Pointer at Buzzer
Transgenders Transcend Tradition and Make Hardwoody History

29 posted on 09/28/2003 3:25:17 PM PDT by putupon (Their is nothing more embarasing than typos & misspelling in tagline used in ab out 100 or so post)
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To: jonascord
"What happened to "First, do no harm..."?"

That went out with the bath water in Roe V. Wade.

30 posted on 09/28/2003 3:29:16 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Next Friday, October 3, is the 10th anniversary of the Battle of Mogadishu. Never Forget.)
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To: putupon
Nice one!
31 posted on 09/28/2003 4:10:12 PM PDT by mountaineer
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32 posted on 09/29/2003 7:04:50 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: jslade
h, and on the football team. Gives new meaning to "tight end" and "wide receiver". BWAAHAAAHAAA.

What about the wrestling team???? Yikes!

33 posted on 09/29/2003 7:09:01 AM PDT by Snowy (Women complain about PMS, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.)
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To: mountaineer
Nolan says Harvey Milk officials aren't interested in pushing gay pride or any other agenda...

Sure they are. Ostensibly, it may be about helping some gay kids. But the whole point of this school is to advance the agenda.

34 posted on 09/29/2003 7:18:00 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: mountaineer
Anyone taking hormone treatments should automatically be barred from sporting events.

Parsing the issue down to its specific elements, in an effort to ensure "fairness" in each specific situation, is impossible from a practical standpoint.

Hormones can be used as performance enhancers or gender trait enhancers.

An unquestioning acceptance of hormone treatments leads to the same results seen when the East German Women's Swim Team went to the Olympics.

35 posted on 09/29/2003 7:29:03 AM PDT by steve in DC
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To: steve in DC
Anyone taking hormone treatments should automatically be barred from sporting events

Likewise anyone practicing perverse sexual behavior must be banned from sporting events (either participating or attending)

'Homosexuals' pose a general health risk to this nation that we cannot afford to take.

36 posted on 09/29/2003 8:32:28 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: jslade
I'll posit the following:

We will not see a Harvey Milk PSAL varsity football team.
We will not see a Harvey Milk PSAL varsity hockey team.
At least 75% of the students will try out for varsity wrestling, but won't be able to make up their minds when it comes to choosing "top" or "bottom" at the beginning of the 2nd period.

Hat-Trick

39 posted on 09/29/2003 9:20:04 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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To: putupon
Wow, what a picture. I've just finished praying that we can avoid any discussion of why the men in this picture have oversized syringes hanging from their necks.

Hat-Trick

40 posted on 09/29/2003 9:26:24 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that does not trust you with guns?)
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