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It's right on the money.
1 posted on 09/19/2003 8:52:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Exactly what several of us have been posting all along!
2 posted on 09/19/2003 8:56:30 PM PDT by onyx
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To: FairOpinion
Every time the Terminator opens his mouth I am further convinced to back McKlintock. No wonder Arnold doesn't want to debate. He is a fraud.
3 posted on 09/19/2003 8:59:38 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: FairOpinion
McClintock can pooh pooh this all he wants for the benefit of the gullible and naive, but all the pros know exactly what is going on. McClintock is smart, though, to bet all his chips on this race, 'cuz it's highly unlikely the party will support him for anything higher than county dogcatcher after this farce.
5 posted on 09/19/2003 9:15:23 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: FairOpinion
Schwarzenegger should stick to acting.

Maybe not - Other than this year's T3, he hasn't had a real hit since 1994 True Lies. (Eraser sucked even though it grossed over $100 million)

10 posted on 09/19/2003 9:26:40 PM PDT by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: DoctorZIn
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11 posted on 09/19/2003 9:28:06 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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20 posted on 09/19/2003 11:33:24 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: FairOpinion
Pure sophistry.

Actually, I think the Schwarzenegger campaign is getting desperate. After all, they've recieved $8,000,000 in political donations and are barely ahead of Tom McClintock, who has rasied $900,000 and has made significant strides in the last month. Arnold is holding steady in the mid-20% range.

And does anyone really believe that some of Arnold's $8,000,000 in political donations didn't come from special interests and influence peddlers? Think again.

21 posted on 09/19/2003 11:45:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: FairOpinion
Arnold hate conservatives AND the California Republican Party. The idiot.

CALIFORNIA STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY OVERWHELMINGLY ENDORSES PROP 1A - THE INDIAN SELF RELIANCE AMENDMENT

28 posted on 09/20/2003 1:02:47 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: FairOpinion
It's right on the money.

You said it. And just look at who ELSE got a big payday from the Morongo Indians:

From Steve Wampler's column of October 29, 2002:

"During the 1998 election, the Morongo Indians were part of a political action committee that donated more than $500,000 to (Gray) Davis. In 2000-01, the Morongo Indians added $170,000 more. In April 2000, Davis released a transportation-congestion relief plan that gave him more control over state projects. One of the projects in the plan was a $30 million freeway interchange that leads directly to the Morongo Indians' casino. As GOP state Sen. Ray Haynes puts it: "(Davis) says it's congestion relief, but it's more like contributor relief. It always helps to be a contributor to Gray Davis, and Gray Davis makes it well-known."

Looks like Tom McClintock has taken a page out of Ol' Grayout's own book when it comes to fundraising. Some mean-spirited folks might even call it "sloppy seconds".

The question just begs to be asked - what promises has McClintock made to the Morongo tribe for their financial support? They've already got the freeway off ramp they wanted - what other bells and whistles might they find under their Christmas tree in a McClintock administration?

30 posted on 09/20/2003 1:13:07 AM PDT by strela ("Piffle, dear, I don't have morals, just customs." Hilda Burroughs)
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To: FairOpinion
He has to decide which side is he on

Poor SchwarzeMoron.

41 posted on 09/20/2003 1:40:55 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: FairOpinion; ETERNAL WARMING; ALOHA RONNIE; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; DoughtyOne
<< McClintock ....a man who obviously hasn't paid much attention to California public affairs. ... For 20 years, [Has] "fought to protect ... reservation .... well ... gaming .... [AND] to hurt Schwarzenegger, they [ARE] making an independent expenditure to hurt Schwarzenegger, and Lord knows there's plenty [Of gaming loot] to hurt him with. >>

VOTE FOR MEXICO CITY'S "man" IN SACREEMEENTO, BUSTAMENTAL'S, BUD, BOOSTER McJEFFORDS -- AND HASTEN CALIFORNIA AND AMERICA'S HURRIED HURTLE DOWN THE TOILET.

Not paid for by Democrepublicrat-insider and establishment-machine career politician, McJEFFORDS, who, in turn, IS Bought and Paid For By the Balkanized.

45 posted on 09/20/2003 5:52:57 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FairOpinion
It's right on the money.

From here

Here is what I would just guess is the McClintock angle. He does not get a lot of press exposure to showcase his positions, so he is used to being kicked around by liberal opponents, including liberal (R)s in his own party. This goes back years and has nothing to do with Arnold.

It's not necessarily wrong to have a sympathetic ear for Indians in California. Like Indians everywhere else (Oklahoma, for example?) Indians in California have been traditionally on the receiving end of policies in which the end result-- sorry, don't know how to put this in polite terms-- is genocide and disenfranchisement from whatever rights they had left on the (scrawny, small) reservations. This policy has extended on through to the present in California, where Indians with valid treaties have gone to court against special interests (on the order of PG&E, landholders) and the courts have come down with decisions that are fantastically contorted to avoid the treaty obligations and favor the big corporate landowners. More Indian tribes have yet to be recognized although by law stretching back in time to the late 1880s, they should be recognized. The problem is land. Much of the land that should have gone to the Indian tribes by federal law instead went to settlers or big corporations, and now that land is worth millions or billions, so honoring old treaties is not cheap.

The right thing to do imhp is to take a step back and look at things from all points of view, including the Indian point of view. They were here before everyone else, and most of them got ripped off, killed, or both, in the process of settlement of the state (Mexican and Anglo).

McClintock needs face time on TV. His campaign theme is fiscal responsibility. Most rational folks (though I don't about FR anymore these days ;-) are inclined to agree that McClintock's fiscal policies are the strong medicine the state government needs to get back on track, or at least he comes closest to the medicine that is called for. But the obstacle has been, and probably continues to be, exposure. Exposure costs big $$$.

Reports are that McClintock apparently has extended a friendly hand to Indians for many, many years. I am not sure that is particularly wrong. What most folks here-- especially out-of-staters-- do not seem to comprehend is that the laws governing Indians has changed drastically in the last few years. A proposition passed a few years ago gave recognized Indian tribes the right to set up casinos. Another law (?) also recently passed (? -- someone more informed is welcome to fill in the gaps and specifics here) creates a huge hole in the campaign finance laws which excludes Indian tribes from rules that all other organizations follow. The political power of Indian tribes has increased dramatically in the last few years. This creates a disparity and dynamic and eddies of power which simply are likely to be unique to California. In such a situation, comparing California to any other state is simply not justifiable IMHO. So here is the situation-- Tom's support for Indians apparently has remained constant regardless of whether they were dirt poor or they had newfound political and economic power. Now he's getting ragged for -- yet again -- being consistent in his support of Indians, and also getting ragged for taking money that can be used -- finally -- to bring exposure of his policies to the broad masses of Californians who wonder if they will wake up some day to a bankrupt government. At the same time, the one guy (Arnold) who could easily bring publicity to the specifics that McClintock has been championing for years, has consistently avoided appearing on the same stage with McClintock, up to, through, and past the Republican convention.

From a fiscal conservative perspective, Arnold is no different from the Democrats since the Democrats do the very same thing-- avoid debate, hog publicity, and duck and weave every time the question of specifics come up.

This leaves unaddressed the problems of unrecognized Indian tribes, who are still disenfranchised from the state and federal perspective.

Sorry for the length, but I don't think the situation is as simple as the Arnold supporters, especially out-of-state Arnold supporters, presume it to be.

47 posted on 09/20/2003 7:13:17 AM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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Arnold is exactly right. The indians want Bustamnte (or Davis) to win. The reason they are giving money to Tom is to keep him in the race and to split the GOP vote so that Cruz or Gray wins. The last person the tribes want to win is Tom. Of course they do not want Arnold to win either. Politics is a dirty business. They are all whores when you get rught down to it.
72 posted on 09/20/2003 8:27:54 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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McClintonock has proven himself typical political scum. His future is toast as far as I'm concerned. Not even for dogcatcher!
89 posted on 09/20/2003 9:53:30 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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I Agree!!!!!

Red

97 posted on 09/20/2003 10:03:17 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: FairOpinion
Give it a rest.

This has become the "Republican" mindless mantra.
The other brainless equivalent of:

Where are the WMDs dammit!?

103 posted on 09/20/2003 10:16:51 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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yada yada yada - this is all Schwarzekennedy can come up with to try and hurt McClintock. How stupid of them to think that we loyal supporters of McClintock will fall for this crap.

By the way, Schwarzenkennedy is coming to Fresno later this month for a FUNDRAISER at the home of rich man Bob Smittcamp. In attendance will be SPECIAL INTEREST money bags from the agricultural industry. Schwarzenkennedy is a HYPOCRITE!!

McClintock is the ONLY conservative in this race.

Schwarzenkennedy will destroy this state with his liberal policies and democrat cronies.

Come to your senses, people, before it's too late.

www.helptom.com

125 posted on 09/20/2003 11:01:42 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: FairOpinion
"I think that as far as Tom McClintock is concerned, I think the question I have for him is, what side is he on?" Schwarzenegger said Thursday.

Schwarzenkennedy is a lyin RINO / DemoRat. If elected, he will side with the far-left demoRat libs every time!

Arnie doesn't even have the *alls to face McClintock in a debate because:

A. He is an empty-headed fool, or

B. He would have to lay out his to-the-left-of-Gray Davis, plans for California.

A vote for Arnie the Infant Terminator is a vote for the lavender agenda, a vote for infanticide, a vote for a gun-grabbing hater of the second amendment, a vote for higher property taxes, a vote for a friend of illegal immigration, and a vote for Warren Buffet and Teddy Kennedy!

They hate "right-wing crazies" just like their sock-puppet Arnold!

192 posted on 09/20/2003 11:55:10 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: FairOpinion
Well, damn! I knew about this subversive tactic weeks ago! Surely other FReepers also knew?
270 posted on 09/20/2003 3:26:41 PM PDT by BobS
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To: FairOpinion
Sorry McClintock this is the truth and I think you know it.
436 posted on 09/20/2003 6:58:08 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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