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Wes Clark's bad day (MUST READ---Weasley Crumbling At The Starting Gate)
Salon.Com ^ | September 19, 2003 | Joan Walsh

Posted on 09/19/2003 6:01:44 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Sept. 19, 2003 | I'm not ready to declare Wesley Clark's candidacy doomed after his embarrassing afternoon of free-association with political reporters Thursday, but it's kind of tempting. It's tempting because Clark's melange of candor and equivocation and "probablys" and "I'm not sures" captured in the interviews, most notably on the enormous and divisive issue of Iraq, showed he's not ready for prime time. And it's tempting because it would just feel good, in a way. A dead-in-the-water Clark candidacy would be a great rebuke to party big shots who are trying to foist him on Democrats because he's more "electable" than Howard Dean or John Kerry. We're going to see about that. It should be interesting.

It's not time for panic about the Clark campaign, or rage about the top-down groundswell behind him, only questions: What was the retired general spending his time on in the last three months, while the world knew he was only his wife's blessing away from declaring his candidacy? Wasn't there a minute to catch up on the Brady Bill, to figure out whether he'd have voted for the Iraq war declaration in Congress last October and exactly why, to research whether or not he voted in 1972 -- "I hope I voted then," he said, "and I would have voted for [Richard] Nixon." And why are party big shots so enamored of this politically untested general who admittedly performed well in CNN studios but doesn't seem ready for the rough and tumble of campaign trail journalism?

It wasn't the political positions Clark stated that were disturbing as much as the apparent lack of thought behind them. His confessing that despite his doubts about the Iraq war he "probably" would have supported the resolution in Congress isn't indefensible -- John Kerry made the same decision for much the same reason (although he's finding the nuances of his choice tough to defend politically). What's disturbing is Clark's appearing to have hardly thought about it much until now, and the vacillating way he defended his position once he took it.

A moment after saying he'd probably have voted for the resolution, he added, "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position -- on balance, I probably would have voted for it." But later, talking about Howard Dean's opposition to the resolution, Clark said, "I think he's right. That in retrospect we should never have gone in there. I didn't want to go in there either."

The most surreal moment came when the Iraq questions were getting tougher, and Clark called for his press aide Mary Jacoby. "Mary, help!" the retired general cried, in a moment that could define him, and not as the tough military leader his supporters tout him as. The soothing Jacoby reminded Clark, "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

"Right," Clark responded. "Exactly."

There were other omissions and equivocations in his interview, which was conducted on his campaign jet with Adam Nagourney of the New York Times, the Washington Post's Joanna Weiss and Johanna Neuman of the Los Angeles Times. (Only Nagourney's account, by the way, included the exchange with Mary Jacoby.) Clark pronounced himself a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and admitted he didn't really know what the Brady Bill did or whether change was needed to it. He suggested he would probably oppose President Bush's request for $87 billion to rebuild Iraq, but didn't give specifics about what he would support.

And later, in an interview with the Miami Herald, he seemed to endorse a moratorium on the death penalty, because there has been "a lot of discrimination and a lot of injustice," and suggested cases be reviewed with DNA evidence. But when the reporters asked if he'd back a halt to executions, they noted, "Clark sat up straight. 'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'" He defended his lack of policy prescriptions and "strong positions" by noting that he only made his decision to run on Monday, VandeHei noted, and asked that voters give him time to think things through.

I couldn't help thinking that the general is sounding a little like Arnold Schwarzenegger, another political newcomer who's been short on specifics and has asked voters for their patience. Of course, Clark lacks many of Schwarzenegger's negatives -- his notorious past with women, for instance -- and he deserves credit for meeting with the nation's toughest political reporters on his first day on the trail (he gets points for courage, but not for judgment, given how green he seemed). But there's something arrogant and entitled about both of them, who seem to think their star power should make up for their lack of clarity about policy and inexperience with elective office. Voters haven't been charmed by Schwarzenegger; we'll see if they're wowed by Clark.

I would never vote for Schwarzenegger, of course, and I may still vote for Clark. But Thursday's performance confirmed my worst fears, not about the general, but about the party elders who've decided Howard Dean's a bad frontrunner and John Kerry is toast. I might be able to live with their decision if they were right, and if they brought forth a candidate head and shoulders above either man. But they don't seem to have managed that. In ABC's "The Note" this morning, one angry Democrat is quoted anonymously savaging the draft-Clark pooh-bahs in the darkest tones.

"I have read the accounts of the Clark interviews and my reaction is despair and anger. Why did my party's best operatives think it would be a good idea to subject their neophyte candidate to the country's savviest reporters for over an hour? Why have my party's elders rallied around a candidate who is so shockingly uninformed about core issues and his own positions? I am not a Dean supporter -- but I am angry that our party's leaders have anointed an alternative to him who seems even more ignorant and unprepared -- and that this supposed 'anti-war' candidate turns out to have been in favor of both the war resolution and Richard Nixon!! And let's not even talk about the Clintons. Today I am embarrassed to be a Democrat."

And while that angry Democrat isn't a Dean supporter, expect the Deanites to be even more outraged. As Moveon.org's Eli Pariser told Salon's Eric Boehlert this week, there's a civil war brewing between the Democratic base and its loud Dean component, and party elites associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and the consultants clustered around the Clinton-Gore campaigns, who think Dean's too radical to be elected. A couple of more stumbles like Clark's on Thursday, and the Dean folks will be even more furious that their man, who fought to be the frontrunner on the tough field of campaign battle, is being dismissed for a supposedly antiwar general who can't clearly articulate his own stand on the Iraq resolution, which was a defining moment for this generation of Democrats.

It's too early to pronounce Clark's candidacy gravely wounded. But he took some self-inflicted fire yesterday, and it's not a good sign. And the sniping from fellow Democrats -- let alone the Bush machine -- hasn't yet begun. Let's hope he has a better battle plan when the race gets going for real, or else a campaign he was hoping would be as successful as his Kosovo crusade could turn out to be more like Iraq.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; billclinton; flipflop; howarddean; maryhelp; weasely; wesleyclark; wesleykanne
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To: Peach
lol!

Clark = indecisive
21 posted on 09/19/2003 6:29:38 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Cicero
So is Joan Walsh a Dean apparatchik doing an anti-Clark hit piece to kill the former NATO commander's candidacy?

Or, is she a Hillary apparatchik smearing Clark to pave the way for the witch's late entry to the presidential race?

Questions, questions, questions...

22 posted on 09/19/2003 6:32:56 PM PDT by YooJean
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To: PJ-Comix
Of course, Clark lacks many of Schwarzenegger's negatives -- his notorious past with women, for instance...

I bet she wasn't bothered in the least about Clinton's past with women.

23 posted on 09/19/2003 6:33:44 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: .cnI redruM
Wes has no clue what he's been shoved into by HRC.

I have a feeling he is going to throw a conniption fit when he discovers that the presidency won't be automatically handed to him as he wishes.

24 posted on 09/19/2003 6:34:13 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: PJ-Comix
great read, thanks for posting.
25 posted on 09/19/2003 6:36:07 PM PDT by jern
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To: austingirl
Dear God, I didn't think Weasely could top that priceless moment when he was asked by reporters to answer questions after a TV appearance and he whipped out his cell phone to call his handlers at CNN and asked someone named Gail if he could answer the questions. He was told "NO!" so he told the reporters he couldn't talk - it was PRICELESS.

You forgot this gem from today's Miami Herald (and relayed via this article):

'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'

26 posted on 09/19/2003 6:37:35 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Wasn’t Clark the CO of Fort Hood and as such supplied military equipment for the Waco massacre? After that, or because of it, he became Bill and Hillary’s favorite military officer; thus taking command of NATO forces and winning a fourth star.

If he was the one who supplied military equipment to be used against Americans, there is some serious explaining he has to do.
27 posted on 09/19/2003 6:39:57 PM PDT by Klein-Bottle (The liberated Iraqi people will not forgive the liberals who want them to remain enslaved.)
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To: austingirl
"Dear God, I didn't think Weasely could top that priceless moment when he was asked by reporters to answer questions after a TV appearance and he whipped out his cell phone to call his handlers at CNN and asked someone named Gail if he could answer the questions. He was told "NO!" so he told the reporters he couldn't talk - it was PRICELESS."

I posted this yesterday,on another Weasel thread,which addressed his post MTP behavior .

"The clip was unbelievable-Wuss didn't even have the sense to walk away from the media, while he asked permission from his lady friend.He looked weak and effeminate,totally wussy whipped. This clip would make a devastating political ad.I see a picture of GW in the flightsuit and then cut to Wuss Clark,asking Mommy if he can go out and play."

Watching Wussley's training wheels come off, is even better sport than watching Dean go ballistic.The Democrats are so out of touch with their masculine side,that they actually thought this guy was going to be their manly man nominee.The reality is that their most manly man candidate, is Hillary.
28 posted on 09/19/2003 6:40:03 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: PJ-Comix
Yeah, they don't give you a sensitive item card and let you sign it out of the arms room like a rifle.
29 posted on 09/19/2003 6:40:41 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: austingirl
The Wesley Clark episode makes me think that even though the Clintons may be in charge, there is no plan. They are throwing stuff against the wall on several fronts to see what is sticking. For the most part nothing is sticking. Amazing since the Bush WH isn't responding to the mud slinging.

Clinton has always been an opportunist. Living for the moment. I don't think he is capable of putting together a plan. Whatever plans he executed from the WH while president were not of his making. I always wondered if the was the player or pawn. I am convinced he was a pawn.

Today is a new day. Clark will not be able to get away with the same stuff Clinton did 11 years ago. More talk radio, internet, citizen reporters, Fox News...someone will always be around with the tape rolling. They will be accountable for their words and actions.

Clark will be out of the picture shortly. Just one more clump of mud that couldn't stay on the wall.

30 posted on 09/19/2003 6:42:00 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: PJ-Comix
That is too funny - he is imploding faster than anyone I've ever seen.
31 posted on 09/19/2003 6:42:47 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: PJ-Comix
HeeHee! Clark is going to be fun to watch!!

Keep talking, Wes!!

32 posted on 09/19/2003 6:44:04 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
I agree about the ballsy Hitlery possessing the most machismo of any dim - what a disgrace for the girly-men.
33 posted on 09/19/2003 6:45:19 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: PJ-Comix
What a riot.....the problem is the Clintons haven't given him his talking points yet.

Red

34 posted on 09/19/2003 6:45:37 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: austingirl
'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

35 posted on 09/19/2003 6:45:56 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
It sure doesn't seem like plan - I think Hitlery is just muddying the waters - or, your analogy, throwing up clumps of stuff to see what sticks. It is a mess and quite amusing.
36 posted on 09/19/2003 6:47:22 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: austingirl
They threw Edwards up against the wall but he didn't stick. And now Weasley isn't sticking either. However, he IS providing us with great entertainment. That debate next week should be CLASSIC!!!
37 posted on 09/19/2003 6:50:12 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: hgro
>>...No one seems to know or perhaps care that Wesley Clark is an employee of the infamous Stephens Banking Group of Little Rock. Stephens was the one that had the Chinese and Clinton money connections....<<

That bears repeating.

38 posted on 09/19/2003 6:53:06 PM PDT by FReepaholic (www.september-11-videos.com Never Forget.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Mary help!! One of my general stars is stuck up my ass.
What a buffoon. He belongs in the French army.
39 posted on 09/19/2003 6:56:12 PM PDT by Shmokey (Always be prepared)
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To: PJ-Comix
Outstanding Post PJ,

When I first saw General Clark concerning Kosovo a few years ago and more recently on TV, I thought he had a vacant look on his face: what we on active duty used to call "the Two Thousand Yard Stare." Granted, he was first in his class at West Point and a Rhodes Scholar, but I suspect he got to the top by "ticket punch" and on the backs of his staffs and subordinate commanders during his years on active duty. There is something wrong with this guy: a "Perfumed Prince" perhaps as Colonel Hackworth would call him. Someone help here me if I'm wrong! Aside from that he is "owned and operated" by the Clintons!
40 posted on 09/19/2003 6:58:04 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("We few....We proud few....We Band of Brothers")
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