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Wes Clark's bad day (MUST READ---Weasley Crumbling At The Starting Gate)
Salon.Com ^ | September 19, 2003 | Joan Walsh

Posted on 09/19/2003 6:01:44 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Sept. 19, 2003 | I'm not ready to declare Wesley Clark's candidacy doomed after his embarrassing afternoon of free-association with political reporters Thursday, but it's kind of tempting. It's tempting because Clark's melange of candor and equivocation and "probablys" and "I'm not sures" captured in the interviews, most notably on the enormous and divisive issue of Iraq, showed he's not ready for prime time. And it's tempting because it would just feel good, in a way. A dead-in-the-water Clark candidacy would be a great rebuke to party big shots who are trying to foist him on Democrats because he's more "electable" than Howard Dean or John Kerry. We're going to see about that. It should be interesting.

It's not time for panic about the Clark campaign, or rage about the top-down groundswell behind him, only questions: What was the retired general spending his time on in the last three months, while the world knew he was only his wife's blessing away from declaring his candidacy? Wasn't there a minute to catch up on the Brady Bill, to figure out whether he'd have voted for the Iraq war declaration in Congress last October and exactly why, to research whether or not he voted in 1972 -- "I hope I voted then," he said, "and I would have voted for [Richard] Nixon." And why are party big shots so enamored of this politically untested general who admittedly performed well in CNN studios but doesn't seem ready for the rough and tumble of campaign trail journalism?

It wasn't the political positions Clark stated that were disturbing as much as the apparent lack of thought behind them. His confessing that despite his doubts about the Iraq war he "probably" would have supported the resolution in Congress isn't indefensible -- John Kerry made the same decision for much the same reason (although he's finding the nuances of his choice tough to defend politically). What's disturbing is Clark's appearing to have hardly thought about it much until now, and the vacillating way he defended his position once he took it.

A moment after saying he'd probably have voted for the resolution, he added, "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position -- on balance, I probably would have voted for it." But later, talking about Howard Dean's opposition to the resolution, Clark said, "I think he's right. That in retrospect we should never have gone in there. I didn't want to go in there either."

The most surreal moment came when the Iraq questions were getting tougher, and Clark called for his press aide Mary Jacoby. "Mary, help!" the retired general cried, in a moment that could define him, and not as the tough military leader his supporters tout him as. The soothing Jacoby reminded Clark, "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

"Right," Clark responded. "Exactly."

There were other omissions and equivocations in his interview, which was conducted on his campaign jet with Adam Nagourney of the New York Times, the Washington Post's Joanna Weiss and Johanna Neuman of the Los Angeles Times. (Only Nagourney's account, by the way, included the exchange with Mary Jacoby.) Clark pronounced himself a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and admitted he didn't really know what the Brady Bill did or whether change was needed to it. He suggested he would probably oppose President Bush's request for $87 billion to rebuild Iraq, but didn't give specifics about what he would support.

And later, in an interview with the Miami Herald, he seemed to endorse a moratorium on the death penalty, because there has been "a lot of discrimination and a lot of injustice," and suggested cases be reviewed with DNA evidence. But when the reporters asked if he'd back a halt to executions, they noted, "Clark sat up straight. 'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'" He defended his lack of policy prescriptions and "strong positions" by noting that he only made his decision to run on Monday, VandeHei noted, and asked that voters give him time to think things through.

I couldn't help thinking that the general is sounding a little like Arnold Schwarzenegger, another political newcomer who's been short on specifics and has asked voters for their patience. Of course, Clark lacks many of Schwarzenegger's negatives -- his notorious past with women, for instance -- and he deserves credit for meeting with the nation's toughest political reporters on his first day on the trail (he gets points for courage, but not for judgment, given how green he seemed). But there's something arrogant and entitled about both of them, who seem to think their star power should make up for their lack of clarity about policy and inexperience with elective office. Voters haven't been charmed by Schwarzenegger; we'll see if they're wowed by Clark.

I would never vote for Schwarzenegger, of course, and I may still vote for Clark. But Thursday's performance confirmed my worst fears, not about the general, but about the party elders who've decided Howard Dean's a bad frontrunner and John Kerry is toast. I might be able to live with their decision if they were right, and if they brought forth a candidate head and shoulders above either man. But they don't seem to have managed that. In ABC's "The Note" this morning, one angry Democrat is quoted anonymously savaging the draft-Clark pooh-bahs in the darkest tones.

"I have read the accounts of the Clark interviews and my reaction is despair and anger. Why did my party's best operatives think it would be a good idea to subject their neophyte candidate to the country's savviest reporters for over an hour? Why have my party's elders rallied around a candidate who is so shockingly uninformed about core issues and his own positions? I am not a Dean supporter -- but I am angry that our party's leaders have anointed an alternative to him who seems even more ignorant and unprepared -- and that this supposed 'anti-war' candidate turns out to have been in favor of both the war resolution and Richard Nixon!! And let's not even talk about the Clintons. Today I am embarrassed to be a Democrat."

And while that angry Democrat isn't a Dean supporter, expect the Deanites to be even more outraged. As Moveon.org's Eli Pariser told Salon's Eric Boehlert this week, there's a civil war brewing between the Democratic base and its loud Dean component, and party elites associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and the consultants clustered around the Clinton-Gore campaigns, who think Dean's too radical to be elected. A couple of more stumbles like Clark's on Thursday, and the Dean folks will be even more furious that their man, who fought to be the frontrunner on the tough field of campaign battle, is being dismissed for a supposedly antiwar general who can't clearly articulate his own stand on the Iraq resolution, which was a defining moment for this generation of Democrats.

It's too early to pronounce Clark's candidacy gravely wounded. But he took some self-inflicted fire yesterday, and it's not a good sign. And the sniping from fellow Democrats -- let alone the Bush machine -- hasn't yet begun. Let's hope he has a better battle plan when the race gets going for real, or else a campaign he was hoping would be as successful as his Kosovo crusade could turn out to be more like Iraq.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; billclinton; flipflop; howarddean; maryhelp; weasely; wesleyclark; wesleykanne
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The most surreal moment came when the Iraq questions were getting tougher, and Clark called for his press aide Mary Jacoby. "Mary, help!" the retired general cried, in a moment that could define him, and not as the tough military leader his supporters tout him as. The soothing Jacoby reminded Clark, "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

"Right," Clark responded. "Exactly."

"Mary, help!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

But when the reporters asked if he'd back a halt to executions, they noted, "Clark sat up straight. 'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'"

This was from a Miami Herald article that I posted earlier today.

Why have my party's elders rallied around a candidate who is so shockingly uninformed about core issues and his own positions?

Why have you stayed in a party run by morons?

1 posted on 09/19/2003 6:01:45 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Why hang around w/ morons?

They are the only ones who would willing follow Weasley Clark to the water fountain.
2 posted on 09/19/2003 6:03:26 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: .cnI redruM
They are the only ones who would willing follow Weasley Clark to the water fountain.

Make that the Kool-Aid fountain.

3 posted on 09/19/2003 6:04:47 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Kool-Aid is the one for kids.
4 posted on 09/19/2003 6:07:07 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Kool-Aid is the one for kids.

Not at Jonestown.

5 posted on 09/19/2003 6:08:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: .cnI redruM
"You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

No he didn't. Anyway, France said "no, never". What then Wes?

6 posted on 09/19/2003 6:15:02 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: .cnI redruM
No one seems to know or perhaps care that Wesley Clark is an employee of the infamous Stephens Banking Group of Little Rock. Stephens was the one that had the Chinese and Clinton money connections.
7 posted on 09/19/2003 6:15:50 PM PDT by hgro
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To: PJ-Comix
Humm. It looks as if Salon isn't following the clinton script. I wonder why?
8 posted on 09/19/2003 6:16:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I would never vote for Schwarzenegger, of course, ...

I wish I had a comment on this. It's the sort of smug, arrogant, throwaway line that leaves me speechless. "Of course" implies that her reasons are obvious, which they clearly aren't (it won't do just to say that she's a liberal, since Arnold isn't exactly the most conservative of candidates.). In the end, her comment leaves people thinking more about herself than either Clark or Schwarzenegger, ... which is probably what she wants.

9 posted on 09/19/2003 6:17:51 PM PDT by x
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To: Cicero
It looks as if Salon isn't following the clinton script. I wonder why?

This is HC's way of neutralizing the wannabees.

10 posted on 09/19/2003 6:17:51 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: hgro
He was kept there as a storage place. Like CORNELL UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR Cynthia McKinney.
11 posted on 09/19/2003 6:19:33 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: PJ-Comix
the staple 5 incher spreading his "truth"
12 posted on 09/19/2003 6:19:43 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: jmstein7
ping for a great Clark read. Flipper doesn't have a clue and obviously hasn't memorized what the Clintons told him.
13 posted on 09/19/2003 6:19:47 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: hgro
It's new to me, and I thought I knew most of Clark's problems. I guess these guys commit crimes faster than you can keep up with them. You should mention this on some of the other Clark threads, and it'll get out soon enough.

Here's an article from Arkansas Business, Feb 28, 2003, with some of his other connections that may be significant:

Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, the Little Rock native and former NATO supreme allied commander in Europe, has resigned as managing director of merchant banking for the Stephens Group Inc. of Little Rock effective Friday, a company spokesman confirmed.
"He told several of us that his first assignment would be to Kuwait City for CNN," Stephens spokesman Frank Thomas said. "It was a very amicable parting, very comfortable."

Clark couldn't be reached for comment Friday morning.

He joined Stephens in July 2000, the same month he retired from the Army. He serves on the boards of directors of Acxiom Corp. of Little Rock; Entrust Inc. of Dallas; Sirva Inc. of Westmont, Ill.; and privately held Time Domain Inc. of Huntsville, Ala.

Reportedly, Clark has been weighing a run for president. In the last months, he has met with Democratic Party leaders throughout the country, including Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe. Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Feb. 16, Clark said he had thought about running for president but has not accepted any political money or hired any political consultants.
14 posted on 09/19/2003 6:20:24 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PJ-Comix
Great post - thanks for putting it here. If you don't get many responses because it's a Friday night, may I respectfully suggest posting it again.
15 posted on 09/19/2003 6:20:55 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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"Of course, Clark lacks many of Schwarzenegger's negatives -- his notorious past with women, for instance --"

Whoa! This from Salon? Salon was created to help pull Bill Clinton's butt from the fire. With the help of Sidney Blumenthal, Hillary and Bill, Salon fed a steady stream of defensive articles that became "mainstreamed" by some segments of the legitimate media. While it became clear what their agenda was, they toiled on into near bankruptcy,and were rescued, time after time, as if they were a clone of the Chrysler Corporation.

16 posted on 09/19/2003 6:23:06 PM PDT by billhilly (Nominate Big Al Sharpton for fearless behavior.)
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I would never vote for Schwarzenegger, of course, and I may still vote for Clark.

What more need be said? Even after all that, she still doesn't care about anything - ANYTHING - but voting to regain Democratic power.

17 posted on 09/19/2003 6:23:21 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Shermy
Wes has no clue what he's been shoved into by HRC. HHQ (Hillary Headquarters) is here to help him.
18 posted on 09/19/2003 6:24:49 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Dear God, I didn't think Weasely could top that priceless moment when he was asked by reporters to answer questions after a TV appearance and he whipped out his cell phone to call his handlers at CNN and asked someone named Gail if he could answer the questions. He was told "NO!" so he told the reporters he couldn't talk - it was PRICELESS.

First Gail and now Mary - I can't stop laughing!

19 posted on 09/19/2003 6:26:01 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: Cicero
Salon has more web cache' it's a hive of Deenie Weenie villany and scum.
20 posted on 09/19/2003 6:26:20 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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